| 16 Mar 2024 |
 @fractivore:cyberia.club | In reply to @jesopo:matrix.org
i dont like discord and i will advocate against free software projects using it, but.... to be a real company operating in a legal jurisdiction, you do actually have to honor valid legal requests * They do NOT have to be as fully compliant as they are - they just consider it good business strategy.
Final thing about discord - what people perceive as "polish" or "having their shit together" really just means they've prioritized their UI and making their service low-friction, leveraging their centralized nature to do so. Actually they do NOT have their shit together - how can a chat app that isn't actually private (discord employees and some black-hats, let alone government backed actors can likely read your conversations at will due to the lack of E2EE) be considered a good thing? But they have a nice slick UI that they've invested millions in, complete with ads for their paid service. Matrix is flatly superior technology, architected much more equitably, and a couple of bothersome but largely inconsequential UI bugs don't change that.
| 19:17:44 |
 @fundar:matrix.org | Ye but threads work | 19:18:06 |
| @fundar:matrix.org | Checkm8 | 19:18:10 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | Zulip, I don't know much about personally, I've never used it. | 19:18:14 |
 ggpeti | Matrix is above 100mil users https://www.thestack.technology/matrix-protocol-users-2023/ | 19:18:59 |
| ggpeti | Has plenty of political backing | 19:19:11 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | In reply to @fundar:matrix.org
Ye but threads work Threads will get better eventually if people work on them. | 19:19:13 |
| ggpeti | They were a major actor in DMA | 19:19:17 |
| ggpeti | Matrix is really happening | 19:19:24 |
| ggpeti | It is becoming the email of chat | 19:19:29 |
| ggpeti | Whatsapp is forced to open up to Matrix | 19:19:58 |
| ggpeti | Facebook Messenger is forced to open up to Matrix | 19:20:06 |
| @fundar:matrix.org | In reply to @fractivore:cyberia.club
Threads will get better eventually if people work on them. I dunno, it's been very stagnant. It seems like it's never gonna happen | 19:20:19 |
 jesopo | In reply to @ggpeti:bassin.club
It is becoming the email of chat lol, citation needed | 19:20:28 |
| ggpeti | read prev messages? | 19:20:38 |
| jesopo | i worked for Element you're going to have to say more things than that to change my well-founded opinion | 19:20:55 |
| ggpeti | your biased opinion * | 19:21:08 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | may I ask you to move this to #offtopic:nixos.org? | 19:21:24 |
| jesopo | personally i wouldn't be very happy if the email of chat randomly destroyed my rooms | 19:21:33 |
 Alex Ou | In reply to @tim:stratum0.org
FYI: At the moment is not difficult to get Zulip notifications for your Zulip instance for free if you are an open source / public interest project. People at our small local Hackerspace did this for a project not too long ago. Just took an email. oh wow that's an important point | 19:21:33 |
| ggpeti | In reply to @piegames:matrix.org
may I ask you to move this to #offtopic:nixos.org? Lol we've just been moved here from the main channel | 19:21:38 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | In reply to @ggpeti:bassin.club
Lol we've just been moved here from the main channel Well I mean that was really the tech support channel, though I can understand the confusion. | 19:22:10 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @ggpeti:bassin.club
Lol we've just been moved here from the main channel And then switched topics again roughly twice 🤷 | 19:22:15 |
| ggpeti | In reply to @jesopo:matrix.org
personally i wouldn't be very happy if the email of chat randomly destroyed my rooms Yeah me neither. It's badly implemented. But the project gets very important fundamental factors right | 19:22:20 |
| @fundar:matrix.org | In reply to @piegames:matrix.org
may I ask you to move this to #offtopic:nixos.org? Lmaoooo | 19:22:28 |
| @fundar:matrix.org | Eventually we'll end up in the correct room | 19:22:53 |
| jesopo | In reply to @ggpeti:bassin.club
Yeah me neither. It's badly implemented. But the project gets very important fundamental factors right if you ask me, the people working on Matrix are good people with the best of intentions, but the majority of problems i see with Matrix are byproducts of core architectural decisions that would be very difficult to rework at this point | 19:23:31 |
| ggpeti | I totally see what you mean, I've been following developments closely for years | 19:23:58 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | To be clear: This channel is about discussing the nixos community Matrix space. So discussing the merits and downsides of the protocol itself at some point becomes off-topic again | 19:24:04 |
| ggpeti | Nice opinion | 19:24:24 |
