| 16 Mar 2024 |
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 @fundar:matrix.org | Honestly discord seems like they got their shit together | 19:08:30 |
| ggpeti | Matrix is the email of chat. Handing out a business card with a matrix address is professional, handing out one with discord/zulip/mattermost or anything where the person has to register is not | 19:08:48 |
| @fundar:matrix.org | But people dislike that for some reasobn. | 19:08:48 |
| @fundar:matrix.org | Wat | 19:08:59 |
 @fractivore:cyberia.club | Noooo... What people dislike about discord is that they mine and sell all your private convos for data... | 19:09:13 |
| jesopo | i think it's more accurate to say that matrix wants to be the email of chat | 19:09:16 |
| @fundar:matrix.org | This is a room for nix, it can't get more degenerate than that | 19:09:22 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | No encryption support whatsoever | 19:09:24 |
| @fundar:matrix.org | Who cares about professionalism | 19:09:35 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @fundar:matrix.org
Honestly discord seems like they got their shit together Discord is horrible for users in its very own ways | 19:10:01 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | Discord has it in their terms of service that they will turn your convos over to the US police, if they so much as ask. Not cool. Not a platform I want to support. | 19:10:04 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | And also a non-started, so no need to discuss that | 19:10:09 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | Zulip though is still not off the table, theoretically speaking | 19:10:28 |
| @fundar:matrix.org | What is non-started? | 19:10:38 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | * And also a non-starter, so no need to discuss that | 19:10:52 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @fundar:matrix.org
What is non-started? typo | 19:10:56 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | In reply to @fundar:matrix.org
What is non-started? Discord. It's not happening. There is broad community agreement that discord is not an option. | 19:11:01 |
| ggpeti | Very broad indeed | 19:11:12 |
| jesopo | In reply to @fractivore:cyberia.club
Discord has it in their terms of service that they will turn your convos over to the US police, if they so much as ask. Not cool. Not a platform I want to support. i dont like discord and i will advocate against free software projects using it, but.... to be a real company operating in a legal jurisdiction, you do actually have to honor valid legal requests | 19:12:23 |
| ggpeti | That's the thing though, please let's not rely on a company | 19:12:42 |
| jesopo | yes! i totally agree | 19:12:49 |
| dadada (er/ihm) | FYI: It is not difficult to get Zulip notifications for your Zulip instance for free if you are an open source / public interest project. People at our small local Hackerspace did this for a project not too long ago. Just took an email. | 19:12:57 |
| jesopo | In reply to @jesopo:matrix.org
i dont like discord and i will advocate against free software projects using it, but.... to be a real company operating in a legal jurisdiction, you do actually have to honor valid legal requests if you use, say, matrix.org as your matrix homeserver, they are also going to be beholden to valid legal requests. the advantage matrix has in this is you are able to use e2ee, which you cannot do on discord, so there's less things that it's possible for your server host to hand over to police | 19:13:59 |
| ggpeti | If we go zulip I will use it via a matrix bridge anyway and it will be some extra work but I'll do it so I'm fine with it | 19:14:03 |
| dadada (er/ihm) | * FYI: At the moment is not difficult to get Zulip notifications for your Zulip instance for free if you are an open source / public interest project. People at our small local Hackerspace did this for a project not too long ago. Just took an email. | 19:14:52 |
