| 20 Feb 2024 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | In reply to @falaichte:techsaviours.org
To that end, I would ask why you don't treat other radicalized political philosophies to the same degree. you can ask until you're blue in the face, I do not debate proponents of fascism | 15:41:49 |
 @falaichte:techsaviours.org | In reply to@joepie91:pixie.town
there is exactly one problem in this situation, and that is your insistence that a dedicated nazi room would be totally fine I don't think a political room would be conductive to having a healthy community for very different reasons. | 15:41:58 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | Mostly because it ends up acellerating radicalism. | 15:42:10 |
 adamcstephens | I think this exact discussion is why I would prefer no political discussion. It doesn’t further the health and cohesiveness of the community. | 15:42:10 |
 @lillecarl:matrix.org | inb4 modfight? Everyone but one is in agreement that it's ok to deplatform people. End of story? | 15:42:22 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | the problem here is not "political discussion". the problem is fucking nazis | 15:42:42 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | let's not get the two mixed up | 15:43:08 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | My problem is that you're showing prejudice toward one political extreme while not holding the same to account. | 15:43:29 |
| adamcstephens | Let’s not pretend liberalism as practiced in todays times is some bastion of moral superiority. | 15:43:38 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I don't care what your problem is | 15:43:44 |
 @fractivore:cyberia.club | In reply to @adam:robins.wtf
Let’s not pretend liberalism as practiced in todays times is some bastion of moral superiority. I personally don't support liberalism either 🤷 | 15:44:13 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | the moment you argued that a nazi room would be fine here, you eliminated any interest on my part to have a discussion with you | 15:44:21 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | We still gotta deplatform the violent ones | 15:44:29 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | In reply to@fractivore:cyberia.club
I personally don't support liberalism either 🤷 Sounded cool on paper, but didn't really turn out that great in practice. | 15:44:40 |
| @lillecarl:matrix.org | It's not always very far between "political discussion" and nazis. Political discussions "always" detour unless someone is babysitting. There are people who are communists, there are people who think communists are crazy, there's someone to think every other someone is crazy | 15:44:45 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | LilleCarl (Salsa9): certainly not 'always'. there are large differences between communities in their ability to have constructive political discussion | 15:45:18 |
 Dandellion | Take this anywhere (or nowhere) please | 15:45:20 |
| @lillecarl:matrix.org | There are the wars going on, great thing to discuss if you wanna fuck up a community/channel | 15:45:19 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | * Sounds cool on paper, but didn't really turn out that great in practice. | 15:45:24 |
| Dandellion | * Take this anywhere (or nowhere) else please | 15:45:29 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | Discussion that is unironically better suited for #Nix Offtopic. | 15:45:52 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | it is very much a matter of moderation policy and community culture | 15:46:05 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | ie. if your community is unable to have constructive political discussions, then that is a sign that there is a problem with your community's moderation and/or culture, not that political discussion itself is the problem | 15:46:54 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | Yeah but I actually do support a politics room because people like to be able to avoid these discussions and that's their right tbh | 15:46:59 |
| Dandellion | This conversation is not going to bring any change to the off-topic rules, or the creation of any new matrix rooms. It is now indeed a moderation and governance issue | 15:47:33 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | Far as community culture goes, my stance is that everyone and everything should be treated equally without any bias in either direction. | 15:47:41 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | If you want to ban fascism then you should ban communism and any other extreme idealogies. | 15:47:55 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | * If you want to ban fascism then you should ban discussion of communism and any other extreme idealogies. | 15:48:03 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | and that is how you get nazis | 15:48:08 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | It's everything or nothing imo. | 15:48:12 |
