| 2 Jun 2021 |
 hexa | you can only add public aliases for homeservers you control | 23:26:30 |
| hexa | i could add #nixos-matrix-suggestions:lossy.network | 23:26:39 |
| hexa | but I could only publish it if i was at least moderator | 23:26:47 |
 emily | yeah | 23:27:40 |
| emily | I just wasn't sure if you had to be native to that homeserver to publish them | 23:27:41 |
 kevincox | I think right now yes. | 23:28:22 |
| kevincox | In the future spaces will make homeserver directories obsolete. But right now the support is sparse. (AKA just Element IIUC) | 23:28:51 |
| kevincox | * In the future spaces will make homeserver directories obsolete. But right now the support is sparse. (AKA just the Element clients IIUC) | 23:28:59 |
 sumner | I don't think that homeserver directories will ever become entirely obsolete, but I think they will definitely become less necessary. | 23:33:02 |
| kevincox | IDK. There was some talk about if the homeserver directory APIs could be re-targeted at a space. Basically keep them there for compatibility but under the hood they are just reading from and writing to a space. Of course there is still work to do like making sure that peeking and everything works as it does today. | 23:34:51 |
| hexa | finding spaces is still a bit tedious :) | 23:35:07 |
| kevincox | What do you mean by "finding"? | 23:35:20 |
| hexa | can't exactly search for spaces | 23:35:36 |
| hexa | only rooms | 23:35:37 |
| sumner | discovery of spaces is total crap currently | 23:35:48 |
| kevincox | Well this would be solved because the room directory would be a well-known space per server. And you can nest other spaces inside of it. | 23:36:08 |
| sumner | In reply to @kevincox:matrix.org
IDK. There was some talk about if the homeserver directory APIs could be re-targeted at a space. Basically keep them there for compatibility but under the hood they are just reading from and writing to a space. Of course there is still work to do like making sure that peeking and everything works as it does today. There will always be a number of rooms which are not part of a space. | 23:36:11 |
| kevincox | Just like there are always a number of rooms that aren't in the server directory right now 🤷 | 23:36:33 |
| sumner | In reply to @kevincox:matrix.org
Well this would be solved because the room directory would be a well-known space per server. And you can nest other spaces inside of it. this sounds like a bad idea. How would permissions work? Who would be allowed to control it? | 23:36:42 |
| kevincox | At the core both features are just a list of rooms. Spaces are growing new features quickly though. | 23:37:04 |
| kevincox | In reply to @sumner:sumnerevans.com
this sounds like a bad idea. How would permissions work? Who would be allowed to control it? Can't you ask the same questions about the server directory today? | 23:39:42 |
 Las | Yes but spaces are federated, server directories aren't AFAICT. | 23:40:40 |
| Las | Huge difference | 23:40:45 |
| kevincox | That is another significant benefit of spaces over the room directory. If nixos.org dropped offline we could still see the room directory if we wanted. Of course federation isn't as useful for the "room directory space" but it doesn't hurt. | 23:41:59 |
| Las | True | 23:43:06 |
| kevincox | IDK. I'm not saying it is going to happen soon but I think logically the room directory and spaces do the same thing. There are some missing features for sure (like looking up a room by a short key like matrix-discussion:nixos.org) but I don't feel much fundamental differences. I kinda see the room directory as an unreplicated space with a funny API and hard-coded permissions 😛 I think it would be a nice refactoring to someday replace it with a proper space with default (but modifiable) permissions and standard APIs (with the old ones for compat). | 23:46:34 |
| Las | After thinking about it for a bit I completely agree. A lot of the server directory specific APIs could be removed. | 23:52:58 |
| 3 Jun 2021 |
|  treed joined the room. | 00:42:32 |
|  Edward Tjörnhammar joined the room. | 04:11:33 |
| emily | heh, are we going to end up brainstorming MSCs in here? :p | 04:54:53 |
