| 24 May 2025 |
 uep | I think the issue in practice is going to be what you touched on earlier. Some people just won't leave matrix. Some people will just go to the unofficial discord instead. | 11:27:54 |
| uep | but that doesn't preclude some experiments | 11:28:24 |
 emily | well if we truly want to shut down the Matrix the mod bot can do that | 11:28:32 |
| emily | like we have central control over the rooms, choosing to administer a set of project Matrix rooms or not is our decision | 11:28:47 |
| emily | but yeah, when we moved from freenode to Matrix we lost people too, sadly | 11:29:01 |
| emily | I think some moved to unofficial Libera rooms, some just left | 11:29:14 |
| emily | that's unavoidable | 11:29:18 |
 infinisil | There's also the possibility to just make more things official | 11:29:23 |
| uep | well, except that shutting down just one old version of an upgraded room took a whole morning. | 11:29:29 |
 Emil Thorsøe | in terms of world I want to see, I like the decentralized concept, obviously spam and abuse should be solvable too | 11:29:29 |
| emily | going to Discord is also unavoidable, but I think we are going to bleed users to Discord the longer the Matrix remains invite-only and imageless anyway | 11:29:33 |
| emily | fair. but most rooms aren't split. (hopefully) | 11:29:48 |
| uep | also very true | 11:29:51 |
| uep | lol | 11:29:55 |
| infinisil | Can also consider making Discord official | 11:30:17 |
| Emil Thorsøe | at least in nheko the knocking worked pretty well for matrix | 11:30:21 |
| emily | I don't think "disavowed zombie Matrix with a bunch of discussion" is a likely endpoint. like we can remove the aliases from the nixos.org homeserver and set topics and stuff. | 11:30:22 |
| emily | people stumbling into a split room and asking questions and being confused sometimes, yeah maybe. | 11:30:30 |
| emily | (a thing that already happens) | 11:30:36 |
| emily | I think we would need a new Discord for that. (but I would rather not.) | 11:30:47 |
| emily | I think insofar as we have energy to solve any of these problems it's driven by "don't let Discord become the de-facto official NixOS chat platform" :P | 11:31:13 |
| uep | I've several times seen issues wher a user can't join. I can't invite the user to channel, because they're already a member. I can't kick them, because they're not a member. These are errors from the same server | 11:31:21 |
| Emil Thorsøe | In reply to @uep:matrix.org
I've several times seen issues wher a user can't join. I can't invite the user to channel, because they're already a member. I can't kick them, because they're not a member. These are errors from the same server yeah, this is sad | 11:31:52 |
| emily | infinisil: is getting a test Zulip cloud instance with public access and the FOSS plan something you can arrange? whether that's making a new one and reaching out to Zulip or wiping away the old governance stuff and setting it up so that the mod team and others can join | 11:32:35 |
| emily | I could set up my own invite-only thing, but I don't think that would give us the kind of test we'd really hope for | 11:32:49 |
| emily | ideally we test something that has functionality comparable to what we'd actually use and that anyone can try | 11:33:02 |
| infinisil | Yes I think I can arrange that | 11:33:22 |
| uep | i think I'm already in there, unless the account expired or something | 11:34:10 |
| infinisil | Can you create an issue in the org repo for that? I can bug the SC to just give some thumbs up | 11:34:12 |
| infinisil | In reply to @uep:matrix.org
i think I'm already in there, unless the account expired or something Public access is disabled right now, and no channels are writable | 11:34:45 |
