| 24 May 2025 |
 uep | one of the other downsides for zulip vs matrix is that the client is per instance.. | 11:17:15 |
 infinisil | In reply to @uep:matrix.org
look, if zulip is so successful that that happens organically, so be it Would not hurt though, and probably if we get hundreds of users regularly using Zulip, we should talk to Zulip anyways ;) | 11:17:17 |
| uep | that's the same as discourse.. it's a browser tab for every one | 11:17:34 |
 emily | I think that's basically true of everything except Matrix and Discord | 11:17:37 |
| emily | and I doubt we're moving to Discord | 11:17:45 |
| emily | so yeah, sucks, but priced in | 11:17:48 |
 Dylan | What I'm interested in is user provisioning? It seems oriented to teams and references guest users, can people just join or do they need to request an account? | 11:17:49 |
| uep | rather than a chat window where I can have channels from many different things | 11:17:52 |
| emily | people can just join yeah. they have a public access feature | 11:17:58 |
| emily | you need to make an account of course | 11:18:02 |
| emily | Rust uses a public Zulip for dev | 11:18:09 |
| infinisil | Can create accounts with GitHub too fyi | 11:18:31 |
| emily | (for this test thing I'm unilaterally setting up I'd need to send out invites because the public access feature requires the upgraded plan I think. but presumably if it passes an initial sniff test then we can get the Foundation to ask for a test instance that has that plan.) | 11:19:01 |
| uep | yeah, the rust one is my primary experience with zulip, and .. tbh i just kinda stopped looking regularly after a while | 11:19:26 |
| infinisil | We can just invite whoever wants to test it to the existing instance that was used for governance before | 11:19:31 |
| infinisil | I can do that later | 11:19:54 |
| emily | I feel like having to read those discussions is going to harsh the vibe :P | 11:20:32 |
| Dylan | I see the mobile app only supports one zulip url 🙄 | 11:20:48 |
| uep | yeah I bounced off that hard and fast. | 11:20:49 |
| emily | that was a very different structure of discussion to what we'd want from an ongoing NixOS chat instance | 11:20:50 |
| infinisil | We can archive those too :P | 11:21:04 |
| infinisil | But yeah | 11:21:13 |
| emily | I think we'd really want a public test instance if we seriously consider this | 11:21:35 |
| infinisil | I've also had some PTSD from Zulip, but I've gotten over it by using it more 😅 | 11:21:42 |
| emily | presumably a public test instance that could just become the actual instance | 11:21:47 |
| emily | because onboarding is part of the question | 11:21:59 |
| Dylan | Can I ask what's driving the move? I missed the start | 11:22:12 |
| uep | matrix is getting swarmed by spammers (mild description) and there are fundamentally difficult reasons why that can't/won't be solved any time soon | 11:23:18 |
| Dylan | Yeah I thought so, I was afraid of that reason. Federation be damned :( | 11:24:23 |
| infinisil | emily Would you be interested in taking the lead with Zulip as a Matrix replacement? | 11:24:41 |
