| 23 May 2025 |
 infinisil | If Matrix is so terrible at being able to moderate content, I think this is our cue to switch away from Matrix | 04:36:55 |
 uep | the spammers just seem to target the largest public rooms. if everyone joins here to get invitations, soon they will target here | 04:37:32 |
| infinisil | Official spaces being harder to join than inofficial ones is not great.. | 04:40:22 |
| infinisil | But yeah, I don't have any great proposals for alternatives, but would love to hear ideas | 04:41:16 |
 KFears (they/them) | In reply to @uep:matrix.org
the spammers just seem to target the largest public rooms. if everyone joins here to get invitations, soon they will target here Yep... | 04:45:21 |
| KFears (they/them) | It's only delaying the inevitable | 04:46:00 |
| KFears (they/them) | And since Matrix won't get its shit together on a human timescale, it's a very strong cue to consider leaving Matrix | 04:46:30 |
| KFears (they/them) | I do somewhat struggle anybody going through with it though, so it'll just end up being suffering and moderation burnout | 04:47:05 |
| KFears (they/them) | * I do somewhat struggle seeing anybody go through with it though, so it'll just end up being suffering and moderation burnout | 04:49:22 |
|  @zml:riot.firechicken.net joined the room. | 06:03:05 |
|  @carbolymer:matrix.org joined the room. | 06:03:17 |
|  BeatLink joined the room. | 06:09:22 |
| BeatLink | Can i get an invite to the new room? | 06:09:41 |
| uep | In order to prevent this room getting too large and drawing spammers attention, if you just came here for an invite, please consider leaving the room again. | 06:32:52 |
|  NixOS Moderation Botchanged room power levels. | 06:34:08 |
 emily | should we consider an invites-specific room? | 06:41:36 |
| emily | mods could kick people after they're invited | 06:41:42 |
| emily | and it wouldn't get in the way of any discussion here | 06:42:13 |
| uep | yeah, perhaps. I keep trying to avoid making things that seem more permanent (and of course advertising to the spammers how to get in) | 06:43:59 |
| uep | (also, anyone can invite people, doesn't have to be a mod... any room member, in that room. Because that's the same as what knocking does, but ~no clients support knocking | 06:45:11 |
| uep | * (also, anyone can invite people, doesn't have to be a mod... any room member, in that room. Because that's the same as what knocking does, but ~no clients support knocking) | 06:45:18 |
| emily | yeah but only mods can kick :P | 07:04:57 |
| emily | we could have non-moderation-team trusted community members as mod in that room though | 07:05:14 |
| emily | who are willing to both triage invites and kick people | 07:05:20 |
| emily | agreed that I don't want this to be permanent, but I also don't know what our endgame actually is other than just hoping they get bored. | 07:05:36 |
| BeatLink | whats going on with this spammer thing? | 07:05:48 |
 @raboof:matrix.org | is there anything to track Matrix's progress on this? I found https://github.com/element-hq/element-meta/issues/2486 but that doesn't look very active. Commented that it's a current issue at least. | 07:08:14 |
| @raboof:matrix.org | (that also mentions emailing abuse@matrix.org, I didn't know that was a thing, have we been doing that?) | 07:09:00 |
| emily | they have posted about it on the matrix.org blog | 07:09:09 |
| emily | they are very aware of the problem | 07:09:12 |
