| 19 Aug 2025 |
 K900 | We already have an account like that and yes that would be the plan | 13:05:34 |
 @emma:rory.gay | opensuse will too, but most likely just using the Guard Geeko account | 13:07:36 |
| @emma:rory.gay | the upgrade isnt that worthwhile | 13:08:12 |
 Cat | The upgrade currently comes at too large a cost i would argue. | 13:11:32 |
| Cat | Considering not all the homeservers people currently run are on v12 support yet. | 13:11:48 |
| @emma:rory.gay | there's the version issue, but also continuwuity outright not having a release with v12 support at all yet | 13:15:12 |
|  ylagr joined the room. | 15:16:41 |
 Sandro | Already did that with all Hackspace rooms to have the power on one account for all existing rooms | 15:40:21 |
| @emma:rory.gay | im still holding off on room version 12 | 15:48:54 |
 Charles | i think i would say the vulnerabilities are, uh, underblown, and the efficacy of the mitigations are overblown | 15:52:12 |
| Charles | see also my comment here https://lobste.rs/s/1ghsju/project_hydra_improving_state#c_eayyqo | 15:52:44 |
 emily | "More generally, I think that availability of write nodes is actually an undesirable property for public rooms" 💯 | 15:54:22 |
| emily | they should really just add a room type that is "owned" by a homeserver | 15:54:48 |
| emily | I guess policy servers are basically this with extra steps or something | 15:54:56 |
 Gnuxie 💜🐝 | i think this comment is taken straight from a discussion we had a few days ago in matrix-spec and otherwise meow | 15:55:24 |
| Charles | i don't think policy servers are allowed to influence room state (i.e. membership) so not quite | 15:55:52 |
| Charles | i am not in the matrix spec room because it has been on room version FOUR forever | 15:56:34 |
| emily | someone keeps reverting it | 16:00:57 |
 @aloisw:julia0815.de | Probably would be a step in the right direction, but availability when the moderation bot is down is also bad. | 16:28:38 |
| emily | the homeserver can arrange to not have availability when the moderation bot is down | 16:29:05 |
| emily | so that seems fine | 16:29:15 |
| @aloisw:julia0815.de | True but at that point why have a bot at all instead of just baking a moderation interface in. | 16:33:52 |
| emily | well, you could do precisely that with a homeserver that owns a room, right? | 16:35:42 |
| emily | it would be authoritative for the room's state, so it can do whatever it wants | 16:35:53 |
| @aloisw:julia0815.de | Yes, that's a necessary but not sufficient condition. | 16:38:18 |
| emily | hm, what's insufficient about "the homeserver decides what the room state is and all changes are gated on it" to implement whatever moderation functionality you want? | 16:40:53 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | well a policy server is a way of doing that | 16:41:16 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | as for why | 16:41:17 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | it's because these are not things you can half ass after the fact | 16:41:25 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | which is what would happen if it was a mandated part of homeserver impleemntations | 16:41:36 |
