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| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | I would like to bring up the current conventions of off-topic versus on topic and their relation to #nix:nixos.org and #offtopic:nixos.org in particular. I have found that it can be quite difficult to speak on-topic in #nix:nixos.org without having any discussion become buried beneath support requests.
Therefore it is not conductive to discuss on-topic subjects in that room in the manner you would expect in a channel on an instant messaging platform. To this end, I would appreciate if the governance of Nix as a platform may reconsider allowing the discussion of on-topic subjects in #offtopic:nixos.org, so long as it doesn't involve soliciting help.
I've found the current attitude toward discussing Nix or Nix-adjacent topics in Nix Offtopic to be rather polarizing and exclusionary, making it difficult to feel comfortable while engaging in the Nix community overall. Some people don't have the time or aren't invested enough in the Nix community to warrant creating an account to participate on the discourse forums, and I feel that by laxing the restriction on discussing on-topic subjects in #nix:nixos.org may help address that issue without having to take extreme measures such as creating a seperate channel for Nix discussion or rebranding the current into one made explicitly for tech support.
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| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | I've previously mentioned in #platform-governance:nixos.org, I some people using Nix may not do development, and thus wouldn't think to go looking there. Most people trying to look for Nix related discussion in a casual capacity wouldn't think to look there or might be put-off by the name or nature of the channel. | 15:10:02 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | As its implication assumes that you would be intimately familiar with Nix and its systems, where that might not simply be the case. | 15:10:21 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | What kind of discussions are you talking about which are not support seeking? | 15:10:45 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | In reply to@piegames:matrix.org
What kind of discussions are you talking about which are not support seeking? One example I can give is asking about the status of getting Nix to work on OpenBSD for example. | 15:11:19 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | I'm not looking to setup Nix on OpenBSD myself perse, but I do know there was a small group of people interested in getting that going and that was one of the subjects I had broached in #Nix Offtopic for lack of a better place for the aforementioned reasons. | 15:12:10 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | The other occasion I accidentally posted a request for support in the channel and was berated by a moderator there alongside a handful of other people. | 15:12:42 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | * The other occasion I accidentally posted a request for support in the wrong channel and was berated by a moderator there alongside a handful of other people. | 15:12:58 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | https://matrix.to/#/!sgkZKRutwatDMkYBHU:nixos.org/$sqR_xbqJ0YvVsnOyC8qR6pPOXdYo3U_lndlUfIDTrMY?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=nixos.dev | 15:13:41 |
 @fractivore:cyberia.club | I've also noticed that room is way huge compared to the others, my suggestion was to try to distribute discussion more to the other rooms, but then the only issue is that only worsens the "must be on topic" thing in a way | 15:13:52 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | This being the post in question. | 15:14:02 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | My suggestion would've probably been to re-brand the main room as a support room and then create a new Nix discussion room. | 15:14:56 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | But that isn't a trivial request that is worth considering because of one person thought to raise their concerns as I've mentioned to @Alyssa Ross in #Nix Platform Governance. | 15:15:31 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | In reply to @falaichte:techsaviours.org
The other occasion I accidentally posted a request for support in the channel and was berated by a moderator there alongside a handful of other people. Uhh that's not what you wanna hear, I'm sorry that happened to you | 15:15:51 |
 Alyssa Ross | Are you aware of #exotic:nixos.org? | 15:15:59 |
| Alyssa Ross | We have a low-traffic room that's there specifically for conversations about e.g. Nix on OpenBSD | 15:16:19 |
| Alyssa Ross | If you weren't pointed there, it seems to me like that's the problem | 15:17:01 |
| @falaichte:techsaviours.org | In reply to@fractivore:cyberia.club
Uhh that's not what you wanna hear, I'm sorry that happened to you
Yeah, had been pretty rough. It was late for me and I had been using Cinny over Element so the rooms looked somewhat similiar at a glance. | 15:17:16 |
