| 2 Feb 2024 |
 @fractivore:cyberia.club | Since you say it's centralized. | 20:27:31 |
 Alyssa Ross | It's not exactly centralised, but it's a silo | 20:32:32 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | I mean don't get me wrong, matrix has its issues, but I'd like to see more investment in it to fix them. I don't want to abandon it (unless another federated protocol comes along that solves issues which plague it in a systemic way) | 20:32:45 |
| Alyssa Ross | No good for cross project collaboration | 20:32:37 |
| 3 Feb 2024 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | Lolz I really need to start using a mental flowchart, like
"Got something to say??"
V
"About matrix??"
V
"Is it likely to cause a discussion???"
V
"c'mon symys, do I really need to say where to go?" | 15:15:02 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | yeah I'm curious about raitobezarius' bridge. bridges are cool. I'm wondering if anyone has opinions on like the data ownership aspect of this? | 15:15:53 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | * yeah I'm curious about raitobezarius' bridge as well. bridges are cool. I'm wondering if anyone has opinions on like the data ownership aspect of this? | 15:16:02 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | In reply to @fractivore:cyberia.club
I mean don't get me wrong, matrix has its issues, but I'd like to see more investment in it to fix them. I don't want to abandon it (unless another federated protocol comes along that solves issues which plague it in a systemic way) seconding this, and I'd say that this is actually a structural problem across FOSS. projects frequently observe that some corporate/centralized project or other looks nicer, and that they have no capacity to replicate that themselves on matrix/irc/whatever. if everybody just keeps saying that and jumping to whatever is currently the hot centralized system, instead of pooling together efforts to improve the open interconnected systems collectively, then that is going to perpetually remain a problem and everybody will forever be migrating from platform to platform whenever the operating company decides to tighten the thumbscrews to increase their ROI. | 15:16:08 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | that is not sustainable in the long term and it causes a lot of community attrition | 15:16:51 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | About delegation, whether its something that should be done more or not - it's a good idea to keep the #moderation:nixos.org room clear for true moderation requests and stuff right? The mods probably have extra notifications set up on that room as it's like an official channel | 15:17:38 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
seconding this, and I'd say that this is actually a structural problem across FOSS. projects frequently observe that some corporate/centralized project or other looks nicer, and that they have no capacity to replicate that themselves on matrix/irc/whatever. if everybody just keeps saying that and jumping to whatever is currently the hot centralized system, instead of pooling together efforts to improve the open interconnected systems collectively, then that is going to perpetually remain a problem and everybody will forever be migrating from platform to platform whenever the operating company decides to tighten the thumbscrews to increase their ROI. For example - if more people were working on this, we could probably have a "shoppable" selection of Matrix server software. Most people feel kind of obligated to run synapse , am I wrong? | 15:27:45 |
 @colin:uninsane.org | the description for the main Nix room makes no mention of any other rooms except #moderation. if we want that room to not be the default place to ask everything and anything we could at least mention the other notable rooms in its description. | 15:29:22 |
| @colin:uninsane.org | it's probably most obvious for people not using the Matrix spaces feature. i had no idea #flakes:nixos.org existed. | 15:29:51 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | There actually used to be links to a bunch of other rooms in the description , but I don't think it corresponded to increased use of those other rooms. I personally think having a good room description is more important, and the two are a little incompatible because a long list of rooms is really hard to read. | 15:32:28 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | * There actually used to be links to a bunch of other rooms in the description , but I don't think it corresponded to increased use of those other rooms (I could be wrong, this is 100% anecdotal). I personally think having a good room description is more important, and the two are a little incompatible because a long list of rooms is really hard to read. | 15:33:09 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | In reply to @colin:uninsane.org
it's probably most obvious for people not using the Matrix spaces feature. i had no idea #flakes:nixos.org existed. Yesterday I very nearly said "Hey, maybe we should move this to #flakes:nixos.org " when they came up significantly in #nix:nixos.org , but I thought it would be rude to begin delegating before anyone really seemed to agree it was a good idea. | 15:34:53 |
| @colin:uninsane.org | i think delegation is a good thing to do. if you don't delegate, very few people will even find those more topic-specific channels. | 15:36:39 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | symys: I usually phrase topic redirections in technical communities as "you're likely to get a better answer in ______", I've found that to have a high acceptance rate | 15:37:12 |
| @colin:uninsane.org | In reply to @colin:uninsane.org
i think delegation is a good thing to do. if you don't delegate, very few people will even find those more topic-specific channels. i.e. we either have a #flakes:nixos.org channel, wherein we focus flakes-specific discussion (and delegate to), or we just have the main channel with no #flakes channel. i don't understand the middle position here. | 15:38:14 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | Incidentally, the question was about setting up home manager with flakes in a known good configuration - and several people responded, essentially , "Read all of Nix pills before continuing". I've been responded to like this as well. This is some kind of local meme that is harmful to learners getting good information. | 15:38:23 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | because it comes across as advice rather than admonishment, and that is important because often people simply don't know about the more specific room | 15:38:38 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | (Nix pills is, I believe, almost entirely irrelevant to flakes or home manager. I've been suspecting it is over-recommended , and seeing it recommended several times for flakes and home manager really reinforced this notion) | 15:39:39 |
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| @fractivore:cyberia.club | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
symys: I usually phrase topic redirections in technical communities as "you're likely to get a better answer in ______", I've found that to have a high acceptance rate Hot tip right there! | 16:06:59 |
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| Alyssa Ross | Nix Pills is definitely not something to recommend to beginners. | 18:41:42 |
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