In reply to @0x4a6f:matrix.org
2 users could span each a 12h slot to have 24/7 availability, there are people speaking Norwegian in other timezones. (just as an example, but more are better for redundancy)

In reply to @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org
While im all in for multilingual nix and international engagement and all that, i will say that i wonder how much time coverage do 2 users from norway have. The nice thing about having 10 mods all in different time zones is that you cover all different time zones. If you only have 2 people acting as liaison to the mod-team, what happens if those two people are asleep?

As a preface, I don't mean to invalidate the need for moderators. We all agree that's needed.

The way I read your message, it sounds to me like "if any channel doesn't have 24/7 moderation schedule, we should maybe not accept it into the nixos.org matrix space". If my understanding (which I've kind of exaggerated a little to make as clear as I could) is correct(ish), I wonder why this coverage is important?

If there is a channel that's more applicable to one (specific) non-English/Spanish/French, chances are that its use and "time of activity" will generally be limited to the timezone(s) used by the country of said language.

So, my counter-argument to your point (as I understood it) is that:

Are we sufficiently worried about non-policy-conforming activities occurring outside of "times of day" when people generally use a channel, that it's not okay to just remove/deal with it as soon as the timezone(s) this channel is active rolls around?

If so, why? Maybe the answer to why is a simple "because it doesn't look good if someone sees it before it's fixed". If it's that (and not something else), yeah I can see the need to demand sufficient moderators so that none of them would "have to get grumpy because they have to wake up in the middle of their night to fix things".

In reply to @x10an14:matrix.org

As a preface, I don't mean to invalidate the need for moderators. We all agree that's needed.

The way I read your message, it sounds to me like "if any channel doesn't have 24/7 moderation schedule, we should maybe not accept it into the nixos.org matrix space". If my understanding (which I've kind of exaggerated a little to make as clear as I could) is correct(ish), I wonder why this coverage is important?

If there is a channel that's more applicable to one (specific) non-English/Spanish/French, chances are that its use and "time of activity" will generally be limited to the timezone(s) used by the country of said language.

So, my counter-argument to your point (as I understood it) is that:

Are we sufficiently worried about non-policy-conforming activities occurring outside of "times of day" when people generally use a channel, that it's not okay to just remove/deal with it as soon as the timezone(s) this channel is active rolls around?

If so, why? Maybe the answer to why is a simple "because it doesn't look good if someone sees it before it's fixed". If it's that (and not something else), yeah I can see the need to demand sufficient moderators so that none of them would "have to get grumpy because they have to wake up in the middle of their night to fix things".

In reply to @eyjhb:eyjhb.dk
The NixOS matrix space is scraped and have frequently been spammed with CSAM. Which I think is the reason why the need somewhat quick moderation is high.

In reply to @uep:matrix.org
Any team or interest group (whether subject or locality or whatever-else) can create a channel and, assuming it's relevant, ask to have it added to the nix/os spaces. We need to add the moderation bot to the room, largely to take care of applying the shared ban lists and sometimes necessary interventions. We may leave the channel "founders" or team leads as local mods in the channel, to be used according to the team's preferences. That's not language specific. There are lots of language channels where the moderation team don't speak that language.

In reply to @uep:matrix.org
https://github.com/NixOS/moderation/blob/main/matrix/adding-rooms.md

In reply to @uep:matrix.org
it's well hidden! mostly because it was originally more an internal process for the steps to take

Having skimmed through, what is it you think is a well covered point?

I'm asking with https://matrix.to/#/!GsmxjHfeAYLsTEQmjS:nixos.org/$HIiVVBJwXGv2Z2fF8cHs0gs4ux5E16pGSXZztnOpmtk?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=nixos.dev in mind

In reply to @uep:matrix.org
but, in short, the steps as already outlined in the initial conversation are what you need to do.. set up the room, make the request, and walk through the steps of adding the moderation bot and so on with us.

In reply to @uep:matrix.org
I'm saying that there is no requirement for us in the mod team to speak all languages, or to restrict channels to use only languages in which the mod team is fluent.

Okay, gotcha. Just to confirm my understanding, you mean by this then that the alluded to need of 24/7 moderation is something that there can be leniency with for smaller/language specific channels? =)

That bit was not clear to me, you see 😅

In reply to @x10an14:matrix.org

Okay, gotcha. Just to confirm my understanding, you mean by this then that the alluded to need of 24/7 moderation is something that there can be leniency with for smaller/language specific channels? =)

That bit was not clear to me, you see 😅