| 24 May 2025 |
 uep | I've several times seen issues wher a user can't join. I can't invite the user to channel, because they're already a member. I can't kick them, because they're not a member. These are errors from the same server | 11:31:21 |
 Emil Karlson | In reply to @uep:matrix.org
I've several times seen issues wher a user can't join. I can't invite the user to channel, because they're already a member. I can't kick them, because they're not a member. These are errors from the same server yeah, this is sad | 11:31:52 |
 emily | infinisil: is getting a test Zulip cloud instance with public access and the FOSS plan something you can arrange? whether that's making a new one and reaching out to Zulip or wiping away the old governance stuff and setting it up so that the mod team and others can join | 11:32:35 |
| emily | I could set up my own invite-only thing, but I don't think that would give us the kind of test we'd really hope for | 11:32:49 |
| emily | ideally we test something that has functionality comparable to what we'd actually use and that anyone can try | 11:33:02 |
 infinisil | Yes I think I can arrange that | 11:33:22 |
| uep | i think I'm already in there, unless the account expired or something | 11:34:10 |
| infinisil | Can you create an issue in the org repo for that? I can bug the SC to just give some thumbs up | 11:34:12 |
| infinisil | In reply to @uep:matrix.org
i think I'm already in there, unless the account expired or something Public access is disabled right now, and no channels are writable | 11:34:45 |
| uep | good tbh | 11:35:18 |
| infinisil | Yeah :P | 11:35:34 |
| emily | I'm not in there. uep can you ask them to send an invite to the email address on my GitHub too? | 11:41:47 |
| emily | one thing I'm concerned about is giving me privileges to configure things on an instance that was in live use… since I don't think I should have that authority on the actual final instance as it's high-privilege and I have no relevant team memberships for it | 11:42:47 |
| emily | but I guess if this is just going to be for testing and we make a new thing for the real deal it's no harm | 11:42:58 |
| uep | or just make your own free tier small one to have a play with first | 11:43:30 |
| uep | for experiment and familiarisation.. | 11:44:06 |
| uep | (I've never looked at any of the mod or admin stuff for zulip, all I can go on is the brochureware on the website | 11:44:57 |
| emily | well I thought the idea was to do this instead to get the full feature set 😅 | 11:45:05 |
| emily | but I'm fine with anything | 11:45:09 |
| emily | (do we create "NixOS Zulip Discussion" on the Zulip? :p) | 11:46:49 |
| uep | t-matrix-shade | 11:47:18 |
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| infinisil | emily: Hmm yeah I can't easily get an unused instance, and the instance we have is in use still (just for private conversations), but I think it's fine. Note also that even owners of the instance don't get access to private conversations and channels. | 14:09:55 |
| emily | hmm okay :P | 14:10:17 |
| emily | I'm not sure I'd be willing to hand out admin access to something being used for governance stuff myself, but not my judgement call to make. is the "easily" part just that it'd take reaching out to Zulip? | 14:10:43 |
| emily | (because maybe reaching out to them would be a good idea anyway, since we might get info/support about moving if we indicate we might be interested?) | 14:11:02 |
| infinisil | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
(because maybe reaching out to them would be a good idea anyway, since we might get info/support about moving if we indicate we might be interested?) Not sure what we'd need from them that we couldn't find out ourselves tbh | 14:43:39 |
| emily | well, if people are concerned about continuity then some kind of commitment around data exports might be useful I suppose | 14:51:11 |
| emily | (admittedly it would feel a little hopeless to ask about if there wasn't at least one Nixpkgs contributor there…) | 14:51:39 |
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