| 24 May 2025 |
 Emil Thorsøe | in terms of world I want to see, I like the decentralized concept, obviously spam and abuse should be solvable too | 11:29:29 |
 emily | going to Discord is also unavoidable, but I think we are going to bleed users to Discord the longer the Matrix remains invite-only and imageless anyway | 11:29:33 |
| emily | fair. but most rooms aren't split. (hopefully) | 11:29:48 |
 uep | also very true | 11:29:51 |
| uep | lol | 11:29:55 |
 infinisil | Can also consider making Discord official | 11:30:17 |
| Emil Thorsøe | at least in nheko the knocking worked pretty well for matrix | 11:30:21 |
| emily | I don't think "disavowed zombie Matrix with a bunch of discussion" is a likely endpoint. like we can remove the aliases from the nixos.org homeserver and set topics and stuff. | 11:30:22 |
| emily | people stumbling into a split room and asking questions and being confused sometimes, yeah maybe. | 11:30:30 |
| emily | (a thing that already happens) | 11:30:36 |
| emily | I think we would need a new Discord for that. (but I would rather not.) | 11:30:47 |
| emily | I think insofar as we have energy to solve any of these problems it's driven by "don't let Discord become the de-facto official NixOS chat platform" :P | 11:31:13 |
| uep | I've several times seen issues wher a user can't join. I can't invite the user to channel, because they're already a member. I can't kick them, because they're not a member. These are errors from the same server | 11:31:21 |
| Emil Thorsøe | In reply to @uep:matrix.org
I've several times seen issues wher a user can't join. I can't invite the user to channel, because they're already a member. I can't kick them, because they're not a member. These are errors from the same server yeah, this is sad | 11:31:52 |
| emily | infinisil: is getting a test Zulip cloud instance with public access and the FOSS plan something you can arrange? whether that's making a new one and reaching out to Zulip or wiping away the old governance stuff and setting it up so that the mod team and others can join | 11:32:35 |
| emily | I could set up my own invite-only thing, but I don't think that would give us the kind of test we'd really hope for | 11:32:49 |
| emily | ideally we test something that has functionality comparable to what we'd actually use and that anyone can try | 11:33:02 |
| infinisil | Yes I think I can arrange that | 11:33:22 |
| uep | i think I'm already in there, unless the account expired or something | 11:34:10 |
| infinisil | Can you create an issue in the org repo for that? I can bug the SC to just give some thumbs up | 11:34:12 |
| infinisil | In reply to @uep:matrix.org
i think I'm already in there, unless the account expired or something Public access is disabled right now, and no channels are writable | 11:34:45 |
| uep | good tbh | 11:35:18 |
| infinisil | Yeah :P | 11:35:34 |
| emily | I'm not in there. uep can you ask them to send an invite to the email address on my GitHub too? | 11:41:47 |
| emily | one thing I'm concerned about is giving me privileges to configure things on an instance that was in live use… since I don't think I should have that authority on the actual final instance as it's high-privilege and I have no relevant team memberships for it | 11:42:47 |
| emily | but I guess if this is just going to be for testing and we make a new thing for the real deal it's no harm | 11:42:58 |
| uep | or just make your own free tier small one to have a play with first | 11:43:30 |
| uep | for experiment and familiarisation.. | 11:44:06 |
| uep | (I've never looked at any of the mod or admin stuff for zulip, all I can go on is the brochureware on the website | 11:44:57 |
| emily | well I thought the idea was to do this instead to get the full feature set 😅 | 11:45:05 |
