| 24 May 2025 |
 Dylan | Can I ask what's driving the move? I missed the start | 11:22:12 |
 uep | matrix is getting swarmed by spammers (mild description) and there are fundamentally difficult reasons why that can't/won't be solved any time soon | 11:23:18 |
| Dylan | Yeah I thought so, I was afraid of that reason. Federation be damned :( | 11:24:23 |
 infinisil | emily Would you be interested in taking the lead with Zulip as a Matrix replacement? | 11:24:41 |
| uep | as a centralised service, zulip has a better opportunity to address/avoid some of those things, with of course some other tradeoffs | 11:24:43 |
| uep | i mean, go ahead and add me for the mod team, i'll play | 11:25:24 |
| infinisil | If so, I suggest creating an issue in the org repo with the overall plan and status updates. And to make the actual switch, you can make a PR and have it be approved by an SC majority. | 11:25:47 |
 emily | I think I don't have the capacity to lead anything additional right now, but if someone else (uep?) wants to co-lead testing it out with me I can try to put some time in | 11:26:25 |
| emily | if nobody else wants to co-lead then maybe there's not enough interest to pursue trying it out :) | 11:26:54 |
| emily | I just don't want us to get stuck on a Matrix experience that ends up as something nobody is happy with because of inertia. | 11:27:09 |
| infinisil | Perhaps you'll also find others who are interested in a GitHub issue or a Discourse post :D | 11:27:48 |
| uep | I think the issue in practice is going to be what you touched on earlier. Some people just won't leave matrix. Some people will just go to the unofficial discord instead. | 11:27:54 |
| uep | but that doesn't preclude some experiments | 11:28:24 |
| emily | well if we truly want to shut down the Matrix the mod bot can do that | 11:28:32 |
| emily | like we have central control over the rooms, choosing to administer a set of project Matrix rooms or not is our decision | 11:28:47 |
| emily | but yeah, when we moved from freenode to Matrix we lost people too, sadly | 11:29:01 |
| emily | I think some moved to unofficial Libera rooms, some just left | 11:29:14 |
| emily | that's unavoidable | 11:29:18 |
| infinisil | There's also the possibility to just make more things official | 11:29:23 |
| uep | well, except that shutting down just one old version of an upgraded room took a whole morning. | 11:29:29 |
 Emil Thorsøe | in terms of world I want to see, I like the decentralized concept, obviously spam and abuse should be solvable too | 11:29:29 |
| emily | going to Discord is also unavoidable, but I think we are going to bleed users to Discord the longer the Matrix remains invite-only and imageless anyway | 11:29:33 |
| emily | fair. but most rooms aren't split. (hopefully) | 11:29:48 |
| uep | also very true | 11:29:51 |
| uep | lol | 11:29:55 |
| infinisil | Can also consider making Discord official | 11:30:17 |
| Emil Thorsøe | at least in nheko the knocking worked pretty well for matrix | 11:30:21 |
| emily | I don't think "disavowed zombie Matrix with a bunch of discussion" is a likely endpoint. like we can remove the aliases from the nixos.org homeserver and set topics and stuff. | 11:30:22 |
| emily | people stumbling into a split room and asking questions and being confused sometimes, yeah maybe. | 11:30:30 |
| emily | (a thing that already happens) | 11:30:36 |
