| 24 May 2025 |
 Dylan | Still, putting all the eggs in one basket essentially | 11:13:31 |
 emily | I mean, it's putting one egg (mobile push notifications) in that basket | 11:13:49 |
| emily | if Zulip went evil then yeah we'd have to figure out a way to publish an app with push notification support | 11:14:01 |
| emily | if Element went evil we would also basically lose push notifications in practice | 11:14:10 |
| Dylan | I mean in regards to the content, right now if element 'went evil' we can still use discourse | 11:14:22 |
| emily | even with a cloud option there is full data import/export… I think it is much better than something like Slack for these concerns | 11:14:23 |
| emily | oh well sure | 11:14:29 |
| emily | I think infinisil might be the only person wh owants to replace Discourse though :P | 11:14:38 |
| emily | I certainly didn't intend to propose that | 11:14:47 |
 infinisil | As a foundation board member, I'd be interested in establishing some partnership with Zulip to have better continuity assurance | 11:14:49 |
 uep | look, if zulip is so successful that that happens organically, so be it | 11:15:11 |
| uep | but otherwise I think it's a long way down the list of objectives | 11:15:46 |
| emily | okay what I'm going to do is I'm going to make a unofficial test thing with the free cloud Zulip plan and poke at it. I think it wouldn't be possible to allow public access without poking Zulip about it for the FOSS plan but I'll at least figure out whether I buy my own bullshit advocating for testing it in the first place. who wants in? | 11:16:24 |
| emily | (esp. mod team members since knowing how well the tools there would work seems really important) | 11:16:37 |
| uep | one of the other downsides for zulip vs matrix is that the client is per instance.. | 11:17:15 |
| infinisil | In reply to @uep:matrix.org
look, if zulip is so successful that that happens organically, so be it Would not hurt though, and probably if we get hundreds of users regularly using Zulip, we should talk to Zulip anyways ;) | 11:17:17 |
| uep | that's the same as discourse.. it's a browser tab for every one | 11:17:34 |
| emily | I think that's basically true of everything except Matrix and Discord | 11:17:37 |
| emily | and I doubt we're moving to Discord | 11:17:45 |
| emily | so yeah, sucks, but priced in | 11:17:48 |
| Dylan | What I'm interested in is user provisioning? It seems oriented to teams and references guest users, can people just join or do they need to request an account? | 11:17:49 |
| uep | rather than a chat window where I can have channels from many different things | 11:17:52 |
| emily | people can just join yeah. they have a public access feature | 11:17:58 |
| emily | you need to make an account of course | 11:18:02 |
| emily | Rust uses a public Zulip for dev | 11:18:09 |
| infinisil | Can create accounts with GitHub too fyi | 11:18:31 |
| emily | (for this test thing I'm unilaterally setting up I'd need to send out invites because the public access feature requires the upgraded plan I think. but presumably if it passes an initial sniff test then we can get the Foundation to ask for a test instance that has that plan.) | 11:19:01 |
| uep | yeah, the rust one is my primary experience with zulip, and .. tbh i just kinda stopped looking regularly after a while | 11:19:26 |
| infinisil | We can just invite whoever wants to test it to the existing instance that was used for governance before | 11:19:31 |
| infinisil | I can do that later | 11:19:54 |
