| 24 May 2025 |
 emily | self-hosted we get access to their push notifications for $0 because FOSS | 11:12:49 |
| emily | cloud we get standard plan for $0 because FOSS | 11:12:54 |
 Dylan | https://zulip.com/plans/#self-hosted | 11:12:56 |
| emily | I have read the pages you are linking to | 11:13:01 |
| Dylan | Didn't know about the FOSS exception | 11:13:07 |
| emily | the server is FOSS | 11:13:07 |
| emily | the paid self-hosted stuff is for their push notifications server and support | 11:13:14 |
| emily | we would want push, but it's free for FOSS anyway | 11:13:22 |
| Dylan | Still, putting all the eggs in one basket essentially | 11:13:31 |
| emily | I mean, it's putting one egg (mobile push notifications) in that basket | 11:13:49 |
| emily | if Zulip went evil then yeah we'd have to figure out a way to publish an app with push notification support | 11:14:01 |
| emily | if Element went evil we would also basically lose push notifications in practice | 11:14:10 |
| Dylan | I mean in regards to the content, right now if element 'went evil' we can still use discourse | 11:14:22 |
| emily | even with a cloud option there is full data import/export… I think it is much better than something like Slack for these concerns | 11:14:23 |
| emily | oh well sure | 11:14:29 |
| emily | I think infinisil might be the only person wh owants to replace Discourse though :P | 11:14:38 |
| emily | I certainly didn't intend to propose that | 11:14:47 |
 infinisil | As a foundation board member, I'd be interested in establishing some partnership with Zulip to have better continuity assurance | 11:14:49 |
 uep | look, if zulip is so successful that that happens organically, so be it | 11:15:11 |
| uep | but otherwise I think it's a long way down the list of objectives | 11:15:46 |
| emily | okay what I'm going to do is I'm going to make a unofficial test thing with the free cloud Zulip plan and poke at it. I think it wouldn't be possible to allow public access without poking Zulip about it for the FOSS plan but I'll at least figure out whether I buy my own bullshit advocating for testing it in the first place. who wants in? | 11:16:24 |
| emily | (esp. mod team members since knowing how well the tools there would work seems really important) | 11:16:37 |
| uep | one of the other downsides for zulip vs matrix is that the client is per instance.. | 11:17:15 |
| infinisil | In reply to @uep:matrix.org
look, if zulip is so successful that that happens organically, so be it Would not hurt though, and probably if we get hundreds of users regularly using Zulip, we should talk to Zulip anyways ;) | 11:17:17 |
