| 24 May 2025 |
 emily | oh you mean merging Discourse and chat | 11:11:04 |
| emily | maybe yeah, though I think the moderation tasks for the two are pretty different | 11:11:15 |
 uep | zulip does threading really well, at least for highly technical and highly organised discussion. So much so that it's too structured for most people to use as "chat" | 11:11:44 |
| emily | right… I would count that against Zulip, if it does in fact make realtime chat harder | 11:12:10 |
| emily | (I haven't really used it much myself, to be clear. or Mattermost, or Rocket.Chat) | 11:12:20 |
| uep | though they have recently added a generic "no topic topic" that makes this somewhat better for ui and new users | 11:12:21 |
 Dylan | Zulip looks to be oriented towards teams not communities and the pricing seems like a non-starter considering nobody can get mobile notifications if that route was taken. I see nothing wrong with having live chat and less-live forums? | 11:12:27 |
| emily | the pricing is $0 | 11:12:38 |
| emily | for both cloud and self-hosted | 11:12:42 |
| Dylan | No? | 11:12:47 |
| emily | self-hosted we get access to their push notifications for $0 because FOSS | 11:12:49 |
| emily | cloud we get standard plan for $0 because FOSS | 11:12:54 |
| Dylan | https://zulip.com/plans/#self-hosted | 11:12:56 |
| emily | I have read the pages you are linking to | 11:13:01 |
| Dylan | Didn't know about the FOSS exception | 11:13:07 |
| emily | the server is FOSS | 11:13:07 |
| emily | the paid self-hosted stuff is for their push notifications server and support | 11:13:14 |
| emily | we would want push, but it's free for FOSS anyway | 11:13:22 |
| Dylan | Still, putting all the eggs in one basket essentially | 11:13:31 |
| emily | I mean, it's putting one egg (mobile push notifications) in that basket | 11:13:49 |
| emily | if Zulip went evil then yeah we'd have to figure out a way to publish an app with push notification support | 11:14:01 |
| emily | if Element went evil we would also basically lose push notifications in practice | 11:14:10 |
| Dylan | I mean in regards to the content, right now if element 'went evil' we can still use discourse | 11:14:22 |
| emily | even with a cloud option there is full data import/export… I think it is much better than something like Slack for these concerns | 11:14:23 |
| emily | oh well sure | 11:14:29 |
| emily | I think infinisil might be the only person wh owants to replace Discourse though :P | 11:14:38 |
| emily | I certainly didn't intend to propose that | 11:14:47 |
 infinisil | As a foundation board member, I'd be interested in establishing some partnership with Zulip to have better continuity assurance | 11:14:49 |
| uep | look, if zulip is so successful that that happens organically, so be it | 11:15:11 |
| uep | but otherwise I think it's a long way down the list of objectives | 11:15:46 |
