| 24 May 2025 |
 emily | https://zulip.com/help/self-hosted-billing#free-community-plan | 10:29:28 |
| emily | seems pretty clear we can self-host the infra and get push notifs for free | 10:29:37 |
| emily | so all good on that front IMO | 10:29:59 |
| emily | okay yeah literally the only thing the paid self-hosted tiers give is access to push notifs and email/chat support | 10:30:53 |
| emily | and the base paid tier is infinite push notifs which is free for FOSS | 10:31:08 |
| emily | (makes sense, they're just charging for access to their server and support resources) | 10:31:21 |
| emily | K900: does that match your understanding or? | 10:32:10 |
| emily | I agree that push notifs matter | 10:32:16 |
 K900 | I am not entirely sure tbh | 10:32:35 |
| K900 | I have reservations about having to selfhost comms in general | 10:32:53 |
| K900 | Or relying on third party sponsorships for this | 10:33:05 |
| emily | I think "if Zulip decide to take away our push notifications we have to figure something out" is an acceptable risk. | 10:33:28 |
| emily | Element could also take away push notifs. | 10:33:32 |
| emily | both Zulip and Element could stop publishing server source code | 10:33:42 |
| emily | etc. | 10:33:44 |
| emily | I don't see "there's clearly-delineated free access to a push notification server for our project, everything else is free and the server code is FOSS" as a meaningful increase in risk compared to our current situation | 10:34:24 |
| emily | any push notification support is going to rely on the largesse of an organization that will deal with Apple/Google unless we want to publish our own apps | 10:34:44 |
| emily | so if push notifications are a requirement, either we start getting on the App Store or we accept that we rely on Element or Zulip or whatever to provide users a pipe for notifications. | 10:35:14 |
| K900 | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
Element could also take away push notifs. No they can't | 10:35:54 |
| K900 | Well they kinda can but not really | 10:36:04 |
| emily | in practice they really can. | 10:36:09 |
| K900 | Matrix has pluggable push transports | 10:36:16 |
| emily | yes I know | 10:36:21 |
| K900 | But really my concern is more of data storage | 10:36:35 |
| emily | the backstop is still Google/Apple cloud services for anyone who doesn't want crazy battery drain etc. and also in practice everyone relies on one thing | 10:36:46 |
| K900 | And the legal implications of that | 10:36:48 |
| emily | of chat history and media? | 10:36:55 |
| emily | we already accept that with Discourse | 10:37:00 |
| K900 | Like, if we run our own Zulip, we'd have to deal with GDPR and such | 10:37:06 |
| K900 | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
we already accept that with Discourse We don't operate that | 10:37:12 |
