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24 May 2025
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily

Google’s and Apple’s security model for mobile push notifications does not allow self-hosted Zulip servers to directly send mobile notifications to the Zulip mobile apps. The Zulip Mobile Push Notification Service solves this problem by forwarding mobile push notifications generated by your server to the Zulip mobile apps.

10:25:13
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyhttps://zulip.readthedocs.io/en/latest/production/mobile-push-notifications.html10:25:16
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI think it's okay to rely on a central server for push.10:25:21
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyMatrix clients already do.10:25:24
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyit looks like we can still self-host Zulip.10:25:32
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilymaybe that functionality didn't exist previously?10:25:47
@k900:0upti.meK900

To access the Mobile Push Notification Service, organizations with more than 10 users must upgrade to a paid plan

10:26:29
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyis that going to be an issue? we pay for a lot of stuff10:26:52
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyhmm it's pretty pricey :)10:27:05
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyoh10:27:20
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily

Free Standard plan eligibility
Open-source projects

10:27:24
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyno issue then?10:27:34
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilywe wouldn't get custom SSO but I doubt that's important if we have GitHub login.10:27:47
@cat:feline.supportCati should note that as far as i know also in Discord land some of the tech we use here on matrix has no equal.10:27:49
@uep:matrix.orguep standard is their cloud 10:27:54
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyyes but see above10:28:00
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyoh wait I see what you mean10:28:08
@cat:feline.supportCatNow yes they have a much higher attrition rate for spam acounts but its also actually due to platform rules.10:28:11
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilythere's paid self-hosted too10:28:12
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily

still:

Community plan eligibility
Open-source projects

10:28:18
@uep:matrix.orguepyea10:28:18
@cat:feline.supportCatas in Policy lists are illegal due to platform rules on discord as far as i remember hearing.10:28:26
@cat:feline.supportCator something stupid like that.,10:28:32
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyso it seems fine to me?10:28:35
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilymost likely we'd get it for free10:28:38
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyeven if it's not strictly part of the plan there are Zulip people who are Nixpkgs contributors too :P10:28:49
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily(it's not clear what the Community plan includes)10:29:10
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily

Organizations that have up to 10 users, or do not require mobile push notifications, will likely find the Free plan to be the most convenient option. Larger organizations are encouraged to apply for the Community plan, which includes unlimited push notifications and support for many Zulip features.

10:29:15
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyokay yeah it includes push notifications10:29:20
@uep:matrix.orguepyeah it's not in the list i'm looking at10:29:23

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