| 23 May 2025 |
 emily | it's from a few minutes ago, also | 08:48:19 |
 K900 | To see what the power level events are | 08:48:25 |
 Zhaofeng Li | it really was, and I broke the power level restrictions just now again
the old message I was referring to:
origin_server_ts | 1747972471777
received_ts | 1747972475370
| 08:48:34 |
| emily | but yeah I imagine it's just split | 08:48:37 |
| emily | I mean we know it's split | 08:48:41 |
| emily | the tombstone didn't get delivered to matrix.org until uep redid it | 08:48:47 |
 @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
I think you can. iirc someone in here (magic_rb?) mentioned disabling media stuff I have a patch, its not amazing,i ll share it once i finish my coffee | 08:48:55 |
| Zhaofeng Li | but my client (element desktop) shows that sending message requires moderator power level, so my homeserver should have blocked me from sending it in the first place | 08:49:36 |
| Zhaofeng Li | * but my client (element desktop) shows that sending message requires moderator power level, so my homeserver knows about it and should have blocked me from sending it in the first place | 08:49:48 |
| K900 | It is entirely possible for your client to be out of sync with your homeserver | 08:50:10 |
| K900 | As insane as that sounds | 08:50:20 |
 uep | oh, for sure. I had two clients, same account, seeing different things | 08:53:34 |
| uep | it did, because I'm on matrix.org and saw the first one | 08:54:14 |
| emily | it uh, didn't for me | 08:54:25 |
| emily | which should be impossible? | 08:54:29 |
| emily | oh. okay. lovely. | 08:54:41 |
| uep | but fractal saw the permission for post at 50, element saw it at 0. | 08:54:41 |
| emily | I hate it. | 08:54:49 |
| emily | so Matrix is actually distributed and not federated, but only in ways that break things? | 08:54:56 |
| emily | I thought you just trusted your homeserver. | 08:55:01 |
| uep | but it's very clever and resilient to transient netsplits | 08:55:22 |
| uep | it just replaces them with long-term state splits | 08:55:35 |
 Cat | its so routine that the moderation bots are architected around this assumption. | 08:55:43 |
| Zhaofeng Li | ok, maybe a more productive question is: is it still possible to moderate that (old) room? | 08:55:58 |
| Cat | its federated. | 08:56:17 |
| uep | yeah, i'm apparently still in there as is mjolnir | 08:56:25 |
| emily | in a federated system you wouldn't have two clients on the same homeserver disagreeing about the state of a message… | 08:56:41 |
| Cat | The fact your client can slide out of sync with your server is due to the fact that the Sync protocol is made to be "friendly" | 08:56:45 |
| emily | right. so sync makes it a distributed system | 08:56:55 |
| uep | * yeah, i'm apparently still in there as is mjolnir (with privs, at least according to some perspective) | 08:57:04 |
