| 23 May 2025 |
 KFears (burnt out) | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
I think nobody thinks Matrix is good at this point, there's just lack of agreement about whether a viable alternative exists. Yeah, and a lack of agreement if sticking to the horrors of Matrix wins over the costs of migrating to (theoretical) alternative | 08:33:49 |
| KFears (burnt out) | The lack of agreements are certainly a pattern in a meta way, too... | 08:34:49 |
| KFears (burnt out) | * The lack of agreements is certainly a pattern in a meta way, too... | 08:35:02 |
 Zhaofeng Li | honestly I shouldn't have bothered to look, but if power levels are just a suggestion then maybe matrix moderation just doesn't work | 08:38:15 |
 K900 | Power levels are not a suggestion | 08:38:36 |
| K900 | It's just an old message | 08:38:40 |
| K900 | That has not federated previously | 08:38:44 |
| Zhaofeng Li | it was way after the power level restrictions were changed (actually rechanged) | 08:39:43 |
 uep | and the room state is rather messed up and probably out of sync, which is why it was re-made already | 08:39:43 |
| Zhaofeng Li | well... it really was a suggestion it seems: https://matrix.to/#/!RRerllqmbATpmbJgCn:nixos.org/$pf1TnO4aW5L5gepckLQ0Q2LOZGPMvlbxIhqmSM6a6Wo?via=lossy.network&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de | 08:42:28 |
| Zhaofeng Li | * well... it really was a suggestion it seems (the read markers moved so other homeservers accepted it): https://matrix.to/#/!RRerllqmbATpmbJgCn:nixos.org/$pf1TnO4aW5L5gepckLQ0Q2LOZGPMvlbxIhqmSM6a6Wo?via=lossy.network&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de | 08:43:05 |
| K900 | Was it? Check the origin timestamp | 08:45:59 |
 emily | are we looking at the same message? | 08:47:52 |
| emily | it's by Zhaofeng Li and it says "(power level test, please ignore)". | 08:47:55 |
| emily | I'm not sure why one would send that befor power level changes. | 08:48:02 |
| emily | * I'm not sure why one would send that before power level changes. | 08:48:04 |
| K900 | I am not actually in the room | 08:48:06 |
| K900 | But it's also possible it's split | 08:48:15 |
| K900 | You need to check the auth chain | 08:48:19 |
| emily | it's from a few minutes ago, also | 08:48:19 |
| K900 | To see what the power level events are | 08:48:25 |
| Zhaofeng Li | it really was, and I broke the power level restrictions just now again
the old message I was referring to:
origin_server_ts | 1747972471777
received_ts | 1747972475370
| 08:48:34 |
| emily | but yeah I imagine it's just split | 08:48:37 |
| emily | I mean we know it's split | 08:48:41 |
| emily | the tombstone didn't get delivered to matrix.org until uep redid it | 08:48:47 |
 @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
I think you can. iirc someone in here (magic_rb?) mentioned disabling media stuff I have a patch, its not amazing,i ll share it once i finish my coffee | 08:48:55 |
| Zhaofeng Li | but my client (element desktop) shows that sending message requires moderator power level, so my homeserver should have blocked me from sending it in the first place | 08:49:36 |
| Zhaofeng Li | * but my client (element desktop) shows that sending message requires moderator power level, so my homeserver knows about it and should have blocked me from sending it in the first place | 08:49:48 |
| K900 | It is entirely possible for your client to be out of sync with your homeserver | 08:50:10 |
| K900 | As insane as that sounds | 08:50:20 |
