| 23 May 2025 |
 emily | you can also block the invite endpoint | 08:29:08 |
| emily | I think nobody thinks Matrix is good at this point, there's just lack of agreement about whether a viable alternative exists. | 08:29:27 |
| emily | I'd still prefer Zulip out of all the options, I think. | 08:29:37 |
 KFears (burnt out) | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
I think nobody thinks Matrix is good at this point, there's just lack of agreement about whether a viable alternative exists. Yeah, and a lack of agreement if sticking to the horrors of Matrix wins over the costs of migrating to (theoretical) alternative | 08:33:49 |
| KFears (burnt out) | The lack of agreements are certainly a pattern in a meta way, too... | 08:34:49 |
| KFears (burnt out) | * The lack of agreements is certainly a pattern in a meta way, too... | 08:35:02 |
 Zhaofeng Li | honestly I shouldn't have bothered to look, but if power levels are just a suggestion then maybe matrix moderation just doesn't work | 08:38:15 |
 K900 | Power levels are not a suggestion | 08:38:36 |
| K900 | It's just an old message | 08:38:40 |
| K900 | That has not federated previously | 08:38:44 |
| Zhaofeng Li | it was way after the power level restrictions were changed (actually rechanged) | 08:39:43 |
 uep | and the room state is rather messed up and probably out of sync, which is why it was re-made already | 08:39:43 |
| Zhaofeng Li | well... it really was a suggestion it seems: https://matrix.to/#/!RRerllqmbATpmbJgCn:nixos.org/$pf1TnO4aW5L5gepckLQ0Q2LOZGPMvlbxIhqmSM6a6Wo?via=lossy.network&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de | 08:42:28 |
| Zhaofeng Li | * well... it really was a suggestion it seems (the read markers moved so other homeservers accepted it): https://matrix.to/#/!RRerllqmbATpmbJgCn:nixos.org/$pf1TnO4aW5L5gepckLQ0Q2LOZGPMvlbxIhqmSM6a6Wo?via=lossy.network&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de | 08:43:05 |
| K900 | Was it? Check the origin timestamp | 08:45:59 |
| emily | are we looking at the same message? | 08:47:52 |
| emily | it's by Zhaofeng Li and it says "(power level test, please ignore)". | 08:47:55 |
| emily | I'm not sure why one would send that befor power level changes. | 08:48:02 |
| emily | * I'm not sure why one would send that before power level changes. | 08:48:04 |
| K900 | I am not actually in the room | 08:48:06 |
| K900 | But it's also possible it's split | 08:48:15 |
| K900 | You need to check the auth chain | 08:48:19 |
| emily | it's from a few minutes ago, also | 08:48:19 |
| K900 | To see what the power level events are | 08:48:25 |
| Zhaofeng Li | it really was, and I broke the power level restrictions just now again
the old message I was referring to:
origin_server_ts | 1747972471777
received_ts | 1747972475370
| 08:48:34 |
| emily | but yeah I imagine it's just split | 08:48:37 |
| emily | I mean we know it's split | 08:48:41 |
| emily | the tombstone didn't get delivered to matrix.org until uep redid it | 08:48:47 |
 @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
I think you can. iirc someone in here (magic_rb?) mentioned disabling media stuff I have a patch, its not amazing,i ll share it once i finish my coffee | 08:48:55 |
| Zhaofeng Li | but my client (element desktop) shows that sending message requires moderator power level, so my homeserver should have blocked me from sending it in the first place | 08:49:36 |
