| 22 May 2025 |
 uep | sigh. i suppose one would have to find a server on which that room is still active, and make an account there | 03:37:06 |
| uep | i suspect none of the servers where mod accounts exist are in that set, so there's no way to do that | 03:38:08 |
| uep | * i suspect none of the servers where mod accounts exist are in that set, so there's no way to do things with elevated TL | 03:38:22 |
 Zhaofeng Li | I can still see the room in Element X. The dev tool still works in Element Desktop, despite the room being "moved":
https://matrix.to/#/!RRerllqmbATpmbJgCn:nixos.org/$5GPWTjxb__gI1HFHWSGGP_UWgM89L2HtWyOzYF0-AHk?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de | 03:39:07 |
| Zhaofeng Li | you are still a mod from my view | 03:39:23 |
| Zhaofeng Li | * I can still see the room in Element X. The dev tool still works in Element Desktop, despite the room being "replaced":
https://matrix.to/#/!RRerllqmbATpmbJgCn:nixos.org/$5GPWTjxb__gI1HFHWSGGP_UWgM89L2HtWyOzYF0-AHk?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de | 03:39:40 |
| uep | well, it worked. it says there are still ~4300 users though, so.. the tombstone really didn't go far? | 03:44:04 |
| uep | it also doesn't help that the new room is invite only and they probably can't join. uugh | 03:45:15 |
| Zhaofeng Li | also do clients actually leave the old room when they join the new one? | 03:45:38 |
| Zhaofeng Li | maybe it's just hidden client-side (I'm still in the old room, despite it not being on the room list in element desktop) | 03:46:30 |
| uep | yeah, maybe it's not a useful figure. Dunno. I can see the room via your link above, but not any other way that I can find | 03:55:27 |
| Zhaofeng Li | you probably can get a list of all the rooms ("active" or replaced) you are in from the API | 03:59:28 |
| Zhaofeng Li | and we probably should have a list of them written down somewhere | 03:59:52 |
| uep | well, fractal lets me post in it if i join by the id | 04:03:30 |
| Zhaofeng Li | yeah, tombstones and room upgrades just feel like cheap magic tricks | 04:04:10 |
| Zhaofeng Li | the rooms still exist, and people can still spam/post illegal content/etc | 04:04:52 |
| uep | we can shut down rooms | 04:06:51 |
| uep | but it only stops processing of events for them on the local homeserver | 04:07:06 |
| uep | even more desync fun: presumably as part of migration, something has set the post permission to pl 50. But of course that's also out of sync and clearly some people are still posting | 04:08:17 |
| Zhaofeng Li | "Posting messages" in the old #users room is set to the default power level for me | 04:13:26 |
| Zhaofeng Li | but if it isn't on your end and your homeserver still accepted it, wow | 04:13:38 |
| Zhaofeng Li | hopefully matrix isn't completely broken moderation-wise | 04:13:54 |
| uep | oh even weirder | 04:14:02 |
| uep | it shows as 0 in element and 50 in fractal. | 04:14:13 |
| Zhaofeng Li | so how does retrieving current room state even work? | 04:16:48 |
| uep | /shrug no idea | 04:17:15 |
| Zhaofeng Li | I imagine the homeserver should keep track of the "current" state, but if it doesn't and the client needs to look through all events... ??? | 04:17:31 |
| Zhaofeng Li | hopefully that's not the case, but nothing surprises me at this point | 04:17:48 |
| uep | anyway, i set the permission again and hopefully this time it sticks for whoever's left? | 04:18:08 |
 emily | it worked for me on matrix.org | 04:26:09 |
