| 12 Aug 2025 |
 emily | (I did presume that in the event of any switch the Matrix rooms would just be closed down; maintaining two platforms of course makes no sense) | 00:26:54 |
 uep | matrix being matrix, that may not actually be possible. there are enough old rooms that have been upgraded and tombstoned, but where people are still stuck and active | 00:35:54 |
| uep | (but yes, that would be part of the plan if we were to make such a switch, even with the limitations) | 00:36:55 |
| emily | yeah, the ghost rooms are at least orders of magnitude less active though | 02:52:49 |
| emily | (and my presumption is that if every room was clearly decommissioned and sites etc. didn't point to the Matrix then they'd be less active still, because less expectation that a room that appears to be the main Nix Offtopic room should be active) | 02:53:42 |
|  @i.am.dario:matrix.org left the room. | 06:40:23 |
 Gi Are | zulip.com, or something else?i remember a library called rulip a long time ago | 10:32:54 |
 Charles | yes, zulip.com zulip. it can also be selfhosted, no idea what nixos would prefer to do there | 14:30:27 |
| emily | you do need their servers to do push notifs through the app | 14:34:14 |
| emily | but they offer that for self-hosted users too | 14:34:20 |
| emily | and it would be $0 both SaaS and self-hosted for us | 14:34:26 |
| emily | no idea which would be preferable in terms of autonomy and infra burden, but there is at least full export/import both ways, so the lock-in would be minimal | 14:34:56 |
| emily | (self-hosted is also fully FOSS and has I believe equivalent feature set; it's just getting to use their Apple/Google-approved notification servers that has any involvement from the corp attached) | 14:35:37 |
 QuadRadical (Ping) | is zulip actually used for non-corporate stuff? | 14:35:37 |
| emily | Rust uses it | 14:35:45 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | i dont hear about it very much at all | 14:35:48 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | hmm oke | 14:36:20 |
 @emma:rory.gay | call me a fangirl or whatever but i'd prefer to stick to matrix personally | 14:36:52 |
| @emma:rory.gay | despite its flaws | 14:37:13 |
 K900 | I like the ambition of Matrix | 14:37:53 |
| K900 | But I don't really trust it to actually ever get there, at this point | 14:38:04 |
| K900 | You basically need a full protocol redesign to fix the thing roomv12 is trying to patch | 14:38:24 |
| K900 | And at that point why call it Matrix | 14:38:32 |
| emily | https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com/ fwiw | 14:39:55 |
 Gnuxie 💜🐝 | bc things changing is good | 14:41:22 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | normally that doesn't happen and that's why things die | 14:41:29 |
| K900 | Is things being owned by Element good though | 14:41:42 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | moving goal posts but obviously not | 14:42:02 |
 Spore | sorry for interrupting, but can I get invited to the main room? | 14:42:25 |
| K900 | #Nix / NixOS should be joinable | 14:42:37 |
