| 11 Aug 2025 |
 Cat | Yes there was a very large price paid. I meant more in the sense that it proved to everyone that its not just imaginary. You can get your platform killed effectively from pissing of the userbase badly enough. | 18:21:29 |
 emily | it did take quite an extreme amount of trying to piss them off :D | 18:22:00 |
| emily | have to admit watching all of that go down was pretty fun in its own way | 18:22:32 |
| Cat | Its funny how the first draft of my blog post on how communities came to do their moderation structures wrong actually mentioned that mess. | 18:22:51 |
 @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | hmpf, this makes me extremely said, my day has been ruined by matrix again | 18:31:47 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | first spam waves, then this shit | 18:32:57 |
 Gnuxie 💜🐝 | chill out | 18:33:45 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | nothing is happening yet | 18:33:49 |
 Charles | that's its secret captain, it's been happening the entire time | 18:34:18 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | if you truely believe that and you are a hydra embargoee i would appreciate a write up | 18:35:17 |
| Charles | i am, and i don't think i'm really at liberty to elaborate | 18:35:43 |
| Charles | unrelated, i would encourage you to read K900's assessment above | 18:36:00 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | In reply to @gnu_ponut:matrix.org
nothing is happening yet im not saying anything is happening, its just very demotivating when the amount of work to maintain a matrix server is already non trival | 18:35:59 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | In reply to @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org
im not saying anything is happening, its just very demotivating when the amount of work to maintain a matrix server is already non trival so im not saying "run, the world is gonna implode" im saying "my motivation to engage with this platform once again took a hit" | 18:36:47 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | it's true | 18:37:04 |
 [0x4A6F] | Please don't update rooms in the nixos.org spaces. These are update by the moderation/infrastructure team only. NixOS Moderation Bot needs to run with at least draupnir v2.5.1 | 22:12:18 |
 uep | The common thread / element (indecisive pun selection failure) with moving platforms, whether irc or matrix or zulip, and possibly even between rooms as v12 causes fallout, is that there are two forces and a lot of inertia in between:
- some kind of pull, reasons to set up a new platform, change required
- some kind of push, forcing users to make some kind of change
The former is rarely strong enough to draw in enough of the userbase, enough will stay behind that it just amounts to a community split and something about the new platform needs to be really compelling. The latter is always disruptive and damaging and will just push some users away.
| 23:57:47 |
| uep | * The common thread / element (indecisive pun selection failure) with moving platforms, whether irc or matrix or zulip, and possibly even between rooms as v12 causes fallout, is that there are two forces and a lot of inertia in between:
- some kind of pull, reasons to set up a new platform, change required
- some kind of push, forcing users to make some kind of change
The former is rarely strong enough to draw in enough of the userbase, enough will stay behind that it just amounts to a community split and something about the new platform needs to be really compelling. The latter is always disruptive and damaging and if it's forceful enough to have any impact will just push some users away.
| 23:58:49 |
| 12 Aug 2025 |
| uep | I'm still happy to explore zulip, without a huge amount of available effort in the next forseeable few weeks, but my expectations of it being dramatically better to have enough pull are minimal | 00:00:36 |
| uep | * I'm still happy to explore zulip, without a huge amount of available effort in the next forseeable few weeks, but my expectations of it being dramatically better to have enough pull, as above, are minimal | 00:00:43 |
| emily | (I did presume that in the event of any switch the Matrix rooms would just be closed down; maintaining two platforms of course makes no sense) | 00:26:54 |
| uep | matrix being matrix, that may not actually be possible. there are enough old rooms that have been upgraded and tombstoned, but where people are still stuck and active | 00:35:54 |
| uep | (but yes, that would be part of the plan if we were to make such a switch, even with the limitations) | 00:36:55 |
| emily | yeah, the ghost rooms are at least orders of magnitude less active though | 02:52:49 |
| emily | (and my presumption is that if every room was clearly decommissioned and sites etc. didn't point to the Matrix then they'd be less active still, because less expectation that a room that appears to be the main Nix Offtopic room should be active) | 02:53:42 |
|  @i.am.dario:matrix.org left the room. | 06:40:23 |
 Gi Are | zulip.com, or something else?i remember a library called rulip a long time ago | 10:32:54 |
| Charles | yes, zulip.com zulip. it can also be selfhosted, no idea what nixos would prefer to do there | 14:30:27 |
| emily | you do need their servers to do push notifs through the app | 14:34:14 |
| emily | but they offer that for self-hosted users too | 14:34:20 |
