| 11 Aug 2025 |
 emily | oh they cancelled the jobs I guess | 18:04:47 |
| emily | so maybe the latest run will actually pass if they're lucky | 18:05:04 |
 Charles | lmao | 18:06:52 |
| Charles | yeah the plan for my instance is to require admin approval for signups via sso, so this is less of a problem for me in particular, but definitely important for a use case like nixos | 18:07:39 |
| Charles | so i haven't explored the available tools yet | 18:07:51 |
| emily | right | 18:08:00 |
| emily | well if uep is still interested and you feel like putting work into poking at stuff then I encourage you to | 18:08:19 |
| Charles | i think i'm going to be pretty busy over the next few weeks before i can start doing much about this aside from like investigating the state of zulip moderation tooling | 18:13:41 |
| emily | well maybe we'll get lucky and the Matrix will explode before that point | 18:14:08 |
| emily | like how Andrew Lee brought us to this cursed platform in the first place | 18:14:18 |
| Charles | lol | 18:14:53 |
| Charles | i mean i think matrix at least still has value for private rooms | 18:15:15 |
| Charles | public rooms not so much though | 18:15:21 |
 @lotte:chir.rs | In reply to @zhaofeng:zhaofeng.li
they are fixing it live it seems: https://github.com/element-hq/synapse/compare/v1.135.1...v1.135.2 “please pay for our software that probably has the same shit QA” | 18:15:39 |
| @lotte:chir.rs | * “please pay for the pro version of our software that probably has the same shit QA” | 18:15:47 |
 Gnuxie 💜🐝 | i don't see how that's true | 18:15:59 |
| emily | freenode imploding was what took NixOS from "considering a move to Matrix, there's a drawn-out RFC, who knows what will happen" to "guess we're moving to Matrix literally Right Now" | 18:16:38 |
| emily | (as I recall. it was years ago, so my memory could be fuzzy. I do know that the NixOS IRC channels were alive and well right up until The Events transpired.) | 18:17:09 |
 Cat | Tbh in my view while Lee is a villan he did achive a great public service. | 18:17:40 |
| emily | IIRC, it was that or Libera and the judgement call to go all-in on the Matrix switch was made | 18:17:42 |
| emily | I thought it a good idea at the time; in retrospect, I'd rather have had Libera | 18:17:58 |
| Cat | made everyone wake up to that if your community doesnt control its infra and said infra is irreplaceable the damage can be fucking extreme. | 18:18:11 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | ok | 18:18:34 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | sorry, i didn't realise that "us" was specific to nixos | 18:18:50 |
| emily | right :) | 18:19:04 |
| Cat | it also taught everyone that users can usurp admins that try to play stupid games. I mean that IRC network is a ghost town as far as i understand after his actions. | 18:19:19 |
| emily | I mean that if the new Synapse version explodes everything or the new state version explodes everything or someone breaks our rooms before we do the upgrade or something it's conceivable we might end up running to Zulip or something in the same manner | 18:19:30 |
| emily | (I don't think this will actually happen, but you never know) | 18:19:37 |
| emily | there was meaningful attrition in the move to Libera though | 18:20:05 |
| emily | maybe mostly just idle accounts, but enough projects etc. left IRC entirely that I expect it's not just that | 18:20:22 |
