| 11 Aug 2025 |
 ma27 | In reply to @emma:rory.gay
element matthew isnt here... lol too busy building a metaverse into matrix I heard | 17:53:16 |
 emily | is grapevine still a going concern? | 17:53:44 |
 @aloisw:julia0815.de | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
Well the vuln seems to be "you can force well-behaved servers to roll back to any previous room state" So their "availability at all costs" approach doesn't even give you availability, great. | 17:54:03 |
 Charles | we're working on implementing room v12, it's just slow going | 17:54:08 |
| Charles | * we're working on implementing room v12 in grapevine, it's just slow going | 17:54:20 |
| Charles | motivation for this is very low as you might imagine | 17:54:31 |
| Charles | * motivation for matrix work is very low as you might imagine | 17:54:38 |
| emily | indeed | 17:54:42 |
| emily | I was just curious | 17:54:44 |
| emily | I've avoided the meme of setting up my own Matrix server for this long | 17:54:56 |
| Charles | good call apparently lol | 17:55:28 |
| emily | everyone hates on matrix.org but the best way to dodge the problems of broken federated services is to just pick the flagship | 17:56:07 |
| emily | admittedly it has been very slow at times | 17:56:15 |
| @aloisw:julia0815.de | Some problems still remain, like the moderation one. | 17:57:35 |
 QuadRadical (Ping) | im still excited for polyproto, but maybe it won't be as good as i think idk | 17:57:50 |
| emily | well, "dodge the problems that can be dodged by choice of instance", I suppose | 17:58:19 |
| emily | if it dodged all the problems of Matrix I'd complain about it less | 17:58:32 |
| Charles | so... opening a NixOS/org issue like "consider replacing matrix with zulip" is the path forward here? | 18:00:31 |
 Zhaofeng Li | they are fixing it live it seems: https://github.com/element-hq/synapse/compare/v1.135.1...v1.135.2 | 18:01:04 |
| emily | I think rather it was an issue for "hey give me access to the Zulip so I can test setting it up for NixOS project use / invite people (esp. mods) to play with it" | 18:01:16 |
| Zhaofeng Li | maybe it will take another tag for the CI to pass? 😛 | 18:01:18 |
| emily | whoever would make the actual judgement call, I don't know; the SC has authority but I don't know if they'd want to be the ones to decide | 18:01:36 |
| emily | if a substantial number of the people involved in operating the current Matrix setup (mod team, infra team) were in favour then I'm guessing the SC would be happy to sign off on it | 18:02:07 |
| Charles | makes sense | 18:02:20 |
| emily | perhaps with a public beta period or something | 18:02:25 |
| emily | I have relatively little experience with Zulip, so you may already know everything you need to know from your own use | 18:02:43 |
| emily | but I think moderation tooling is a big question | 18:02:48 |
| emily | and I don't know the exact needs of the mod team in that regard | 18:02:56 |
| emily | hmm does that ❌️ mean anything important? probably fine to tag the release anyway! | 18:04:06 |
| emily | can always roll a .3! | 18:04:22 |
