| 11 Aug 2025 |
 emily | but it fails many tests | 17:50:47 |
| emily | and broke linting CI | 17:50:51 |
 Charles | ah lol | 17:50:59 |
| emily | so I guess they just did not test it… ? | 17:51:00 |
 Gnuxie 💜🐝 | @matthew is this true meow? | 17:51:52 |
 @emma:rory.gay | element matthew isnt here... lol | 17:52:15 |
 K900 | Well the vuln seems to be "you can force well-behaved servers to roll back to any previous room state" | 17:52:27 |
| emily | (it was sil's offer, I think he asked me to open an issue in NixOS/org or something for it?) | 17:52:28 |
| K900 | Which isn't quite "arbitrary state overwrite" | 17:52:40 |
| Charles | i ended up setting up my own zulip instance that i've primarily been using fwiw | 17:52:44 |
| K900 | But it does mean that the create event is now uniquely special | 17:52:47 |
| emily | so you're saying even older room versions get to have an omnipotent creator! | 17:53:04 |
 ma27 | In reply to @emma:rory.gay
element matthew isnt here... lol too busy building a metaverse into matrix I heard | 17:53:16 |
| emily | is grapevine still a going concern? | 17:53:44 |
 @aloisw:julia0815.de | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
Well the vuln seems to be "you can force well-behaved servers to roll back to any previous room state" So their "availability at all costs" approach doesn't even give you availability, great. | 17:54:03 |
| Charles | we're working on implementing room v12, it's just slow going | 17:54:08 |
| Charles | * we're working on implementing room v12 in grapevine, it's just slow going | 17:54:20 |
| Charles | motivation for this is very low as you might imagine | 17:54:31 |
| Charles | * motivation for matrix work is very low as you might imagine | 17:54:38 |
| emily | indeed | 17:54:42 |
| emily | I was just curious | 17:54:44 |
| emily | I've avoided the meme of setting up my own Matrix server for this long | 17:54:56 |
| Charles | good call apparently lol | 17:55:28 |
| emily | everyone hates on matrix.org but the best way to dodge the problems of broken federated services is to just pick the flagship | 17:56:07 |
| emily | admittedly it has been very slow at times | 17:56:15 |
| @aloisw:julia0815.de | Some problems still remain, like the moderation one. | 17:57:35 |
 QuadRadical (Ping) | im still excited for polyproto, but maybe it won't be as good as i think idk | 17:57:50 |
| emily | well, "dodge the problems that can be dodged by choice of instance", I suppose | 17:58:19 |
| emily | if it dodged all the problems of Matrix I'd complain about it less | 17:58:32 |
| Charles | so... opening a NixOS/org issue like "consider replacing matrix with zulip" is the path forward here? | 18:00:31 |
