| 11 Aug 2025 |
 K900 | The state resolution algorithm is broken | 17:40:07 |
| K900 | Fundamentally | 17:40:10 |
| K900 | Room v12 is a hack | 17:40:14 |
 QuadRadical (Ping) | is that specifically the room id create hash thing? | 17:41:31 |
| K900 | No, it's the fact that the room creator is now special | 17:42:15 |
| K900 | And has extremely special privileges that no one else has | 17:42:23 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | ah i see | 17:42:28 |
 @emma:rory.gay | (and are non revokable) | 17:42:34 |
| K900 | To work around the fact that anything past room creation can be messed with | 17:42:42 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | hmm, not good | 17:42:46 |
 emily | it's literally just an admission that state resolution doesn't work right? | 17:43:21 |
| K900 | Basically yes | 17:43:31 |
| emily | oh I guess you said as much | 17:43:34 |
| @emma:rory.gay | i mean, they'vebeen admitting that for ages now | 17:43:48 |
| emily | btw it's pretty funny that Synapse failed to put out a working release | 17:43:47 |
| emily | after setting their own deadline and then also delaying disclosure 3 weeks | 17:43:55 |
| emily | not sure how they managed to avoid running tests or linting during all that sitting around time | 17:44:08 |
| @emma:rory.gay | we've always known that state res is a broken mess, we've been joking about state res v3 for years now | 17:44:14 |
| @emma:rory.gay | matrix spec is the next valve: cant count to 3 | 17:44:22 |
 Charles | also zulip is just massively better for this particular use case (and i would argue better for public rooms in general) (in my testing so far) | 17:47:50 |
| Charles | wait what | 17:48:45 |
| emily | see https://matrix.to/#/!vxTmkuJzhGPsMdkAOc:transformierende-gesellschaft.org/$Gi9Fk9kEfbkUl4wGImJFL-T5EZO0BJ5ePGTrYRzsD9k?via=utzutzutz.net&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de, https://matrix.to/#/!ATURSDtpSAgOTfvtbq:lossy.network/$HJYKt60KYvra3DKIjZq88T18DaMFgaf6Y4fk9eJ_pVM?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=stratum0.org | 17:49:04 |
| Charles | rooms i am not in | 17:49:42 |
| Charles | https://github.com/element-hq/synapse/releases but yeah i don't see anything here lol | 17:49:50 |
| @emma:rory.gay | yeah they botched teh release | 17:50:04 |
| emily | fwiw I was pushing for testing out Zulip during the abuse wave and was offered access to the Zulip that was used during the NCA for playing around with it and pulling in whoever on the mod team might be interested in looking at the tooling etc. | 17:50:03 |
| emily | I lost the spark for it when the abuse wave died down | 17:50:13 |
| emily | but if you are interested in pushing for a move to Zulip I would guess that offer of access still stands | 17:50:24 |
| emily | I was discussing it with uep at the time | 17:50:35 |
| emily | it's tagged | 17:50:44 |
