| 18 Jul 2025 |
 Cat | fair | 18:07:27 |
 emily | it's kind of a pretty large target to paint on your rooms | 18:07:38 |
 Charles | yeah you got the right idea | 18:09:40 |
| emily | ultimately most communities do have centralized control. Matrix doesn't even serve the centralized decision-making case well because it's not like you can vote on mod actions without a central agent mediating that | 18:16:27 |
| emily | (ok I'm sure there's some big brained MSC for this) | 18:16:40 |
 Gnuxie 💜🐝 | policy servers are pretty close and a concession in the right direction | 18:18:36 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | problem is they fail open atm I think | 18:18:54 |
| emily | righr | 18:19:12 |
| emily | * | 18:19:16 |
| emily | if you're interested in other protocol designs like @charles:computer.surgery and accept that principle then I think you probably want to strip away a lot of Matrix complexity though | 18:19:54 |
| emily | since it just buys you much less at that point | 18:20:08 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | it's true but that's not going to happen overnight | 18:28:07 |
 @emma:rory.gay | i dont like the idea of matrix being centralised but i do appreciate being at least somewhat able to cover the usecase via policy servers | 18:31:01 |
| emily | In reply to @gnu_ponut:matrix.org
it's true but that's not going to happen overnight oh for sure. I appreciate the work you put in | 18:36:41 |
| emily | I was only talking in the context of Charles expressing a desire for a differently-shaped protocol which I agree with | 18:37:11 |
 QuadRadical (Ping) | ive got my eye on polyproto | 19:16:47 |
|  andiandi 🐈 changed their display name from andiandi 🦆 to andiandi@hadr25. | 22:09:07 |
| andiandi 🐈 changed their display name from andiandi@hadr25 to andiandi@hadr25 🏰🏞️. | 22:13:44 |
| 19 Jul 2025 |
| @emma:rory.gay | i dont | 08:43:15 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | why? | 13:40:22 |
| Charles | good question, the main things i see are that it repeats this mistake https://polyproto.org/docs/protocols/core#5-federation-ids-fids and also has a very discord model, whereas i think matrix's insight that everything can be modeled as different types of rooms was a good idea | 15:36:31 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | i kind of agree with you about the discord thing, about repeating the mistake, what is the mistake there? | 15:39:51 |
| Charles | human-readable identifiers | 15:40:06 |
| Charles | consider: trans people | 15:40:10 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | huh | 15:40:25 |
| Charles | changing your FID will likely be a massive pain in the ass like it is on matrix | 15:40:43 |
| Charles | this is bad | 15:40:48 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | ah interesting | 15:40:49 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | ill ask | 15:40:50 |
| Charles | likely the answer you'll get is "different FIDs are considered different identities" just like in matrix | 15:41:31 |
