| 27 Apr 2025 |
 Cat | Your shit out of luck essentially. | 20:40:37 |
| Cat | as in the Rust based matrix homeservers are more similar to being a regular user on matrix.org than being a HS admin in what your options are for automatic saftey tooling. | 20:41:56 |
| Cat | Since unless your name is emma your likely not interacting with their admin rooms automatically. | 20:42:35 |
 @emma:rory.gay | even i dont do that | 20:53:52 |
| @emma:rory.gay | and i refuse to touch that in libmatrix for as long as there's no REST API that isnt a wrapper around text commands | 20:55:04 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | eh. there's a lot of ways in which the situation could improve, but if the urgency isn't there... | 21:06:11 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | idk, I'm kind of skeptical of "not much you can do" in general in contexts where those who are supposed to do things, show a general disinterest in trying | 21:07:08 |
 Winter | precisely | 21:07:14 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | because in my experience, "impossible" problems suddenly become solvable most of the time once someone actually starts giving a shit | 21:07:25 |
| @emma:rory.gay | well i mean, i dont see a good solution is all | 21:07:28 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | but often those solutions do not become apparent until someone is willing to put in work to find the non-obvious ones | 21:07:47 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | so if no solutions materialize and the responsible parties show disinterest, my bet is generally on the disinterest being the problem | 21:08:16 |
| @emma:rory.gay | most likely unintended but you made it sound like im not "willing" | 21:08:18 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I don't mean you, no | 21:08:26 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I mean the core folks who should've started working on this years ago once early reports started materializing | 21:08:42 |
| @emma:rory.gay | to be fair i wrote a userbot just to deal with this specifically | 21:08:56 |
| @emma:rory.gay | (that doesnt depend on homeserver admins at all, nor spec changes) | 21:09:08 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | like, all these various attacks are starting to become a Big Problem now but they are by no means new | 21:09:39 |
| @emma:rory.gay | ofcourse not, but as long as an issue only ahppens once in a while you tend not to care, at least speaking from my own experience | 21:10:17 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | sure, and that's entirely the wrong approach if you're responsible for a network like this | 21:10:40 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (which you aren't, but core folks are) | 21:10:45 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | you deal with problems when they are still manageable and not only once they become a crisis | 21:11:00 |
| @emma:rory.gay | i only dealt with it when stuff was in full crisis fwiw | 21:11:22 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | Emma [it/its]: to be explicit about this, none of my complaints are aimed at you whatsoever | 21:12:03 |
| @emma:rory.gay | i see "you", brain treats it as about me by default, sorry | 21:12:35 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | yeah understandable, hence wanting to make it explicit; but in this case I mean the general 'you', not the personal one | 21:12:53 |
| @emma:rory.gay | i guess you could do the apoth thing of "you(g)" | 21:13:10 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (I dislike how they are the same in English) | 21:13:11 |
| Cat | Cat today took one step closer to making a contribution to help with this menace. | 21:13:30 |
| @emma:rory.gay | the only reason i wrote something in the end was because it was a problem, not for me (somehow im blocklisted from all the spam, so litterally unaffected), but for me and all my peers getting insulted and called "useless", not worthy of being alive etc etc every few hours (we saw this happen even here in the nix rooms when this stuff started...) | 21:13:35 |
