| 15 Apr 2025 |
 @emma:rory.gay | nor is it in draupnir, wdym | 23:10:21 |
 Dandellion | most pieces are in the protocol, no one just ever built the tooling | 23:10:24 |
 uep | we'll happily use it when it's built, as will everyone else suffering the current bullshit | 23:11:03 |
| @emma:rory.gay | the tooling is built into your homeserver | 23:11:21 |
 Cat | i forgot the convo talked about messages per interval not interval even then that whole protection is ancient scrap. | 23:11:31 |
| @emma:rory.gay | (and any homeserver that doesnt implement it simply cant parttake in your rooms) | 23:12:04 |
| Dandellion | I'm not talking about ACLs | 23:12:23 |
| Cat | Emma the question isnt about primitives its about the tooling to effectively use them. | 23:12:26 |
| @emma:rory.gay | neither am i | 23:12:28 |
| @emma:rory.gay | im talking about restricted joins | 23:12:34 |
| @emma:rory.gay | * im talking about restricted joins and knocking | 23:12:43 |
| Cat | Also the primitives are severely lacking anyways theres a reason i have MSCs open to fix them. | 23:12:53 |
| @emma:rory.gay | i love how this doesnt load lol | 23:13:24 |
| @emma:rory.gay | have a few matrix.org foundation rooms to explain how ineffective mjolnir can be (these are sent in seconds): | 23:14:39 |
| @emma:rory.gay | Redacted or Malformed Event | 23:14:42 |
| @emma:rory.gay | oh right, no images | 23:14:47 |
| Dandellion | you could have a nixos-org hosted bot that processes knocks, allowlisting known-good homeservers without public registration, or requiring out of band verification through some oracle. Matrix isn't directly unsuitable for building systems like that. No one just ever did | 23:15:25 |
| @emma:rory.gay | Redacted or Malformed Event | 23:15:27 |
| @emma:rory.gay | oh come on | 23:15:33 |
 amadaluzia[tde] | One must imagine Sisyphus happy | 23:16:04 |
| Dandellion | so we instead only have these reactive ones | 23:16:07 |
