| 21 May 2025 |
 @emma:rory.gay | and this has to be done for individual users, community tooling can only go so far without having to patch the living hell out of server software, sadly | 22:37:49 |
| @emma:rory.gay | something is better than nothing, after all | 22:38:03 |
 uep | Totally agree. A feature in common clients would go a long way too | 22:59:21 |
| @emma:rory.gay | that doesnt mean dismissing what's already out there as standalone tools, stuff in clients can only ever be generic | 23:00:38 |
| @emma:rory.gay | though somehting like "disable invites" would be nice | 23:01:16 |
 Zhaofeng Li | I think some mod should update the title in the old #users room (!RRerllqmbATpmbJgCn:nixos.org), maybe via the API | 23:52:16 |
| Zhaofeng Li | People are still asking questions there | 23:52:39 |
| uep | absolutely did not mean to dismiss any efforts, what i'm being critical of is the ecosystem in which heroic individual efforts are both necessary and the only efforts seemingly being made. | 23:54:50 |
| 22 May 2025 |
| @emma:rory.gay | im sorry for implying you were dismissing anything ^^' | 00:27:28 |
| @emma:rory.gay | matrix.org is working on some stuff but its taking time (as per usual) | 00:28:04 |
| uep | they clearly could do a lot more, even with minimal resources, just by directing focus. Sure, spec work takes time, but using what is already there. Find some client that has good features for this, and highlight it, encouraging other clients to do something similar. There's already an example with them suggesting to use client features to disable image previews. Make a list of steps like that for users to take, and which clients or servers facilitate them. | 03:35:10 |
| uep | i assume they don't because it would just highlight the overall dire state | 03:35:32 |
| uep | sigh. i suppose one would have to find a server on which that room is still active, and make an account there | 03:37:06 |
| uep | i suspect none of the servers where mod accounts exist are in that set, so there's no way to do that | 03:38:08 |
| uep | * i suspect none of the servers where mod accounts exist are in that set, so there's no way to do things with elevated TL | 03:38:22 |
| Zhaofeng Li | I can still see the room in Element X. The dev tool still works in Element Desktop, despite the room being "moved":
https://matrix.to/#/!RRerllqmbATpmbJgCn:nixos.org/$5GPWTjxb__gI1HFHWSGGP_UWgM89L2HtWyOzYF0-AHk?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de | 03:39:07 |
| Zhaofeng Li | you are still a mod from my view | 03:39:23 |
| Zhaofeng Li | * I can still see the room in Element X. The dev tool still works in Element Desktop, despite the room being "replaced":
https://matrix.to/#/!RRerllqmbATpmbJgCn:nixos.org/$5GPWTjxb__gI1HFHWSGGP_UWgM89L2HtWyOzYF0-AHk?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de | 03:39:40 |
| uep | well, it worked. it says there are still ~4300 users though, so.. the tombstone really didn't go far? | 03:44:04 |
| uep | it also doesn't help that the new room is invite only and they probably can't join. uugh | 03:45:15 |
| Zhaofeng Li | also do clients actually leave the old room when they join the new one? | 03:45:38 |
| Zhaofeng Li | maybe it's just hidden client-side (I'm still in the old room, despite it not being on the room list in element desktop) | 03:46:30 |
| uep | yeah, maybe it's not a useful figure. Dunno. I can see the room via your link above, but not any other way that I can find | 03:55:27 |
| Zhaofeng Li | you probably can get a list of all the rooms ("active" or replaced) you are in from the API | 03:59:28 |
| Zhaofeng Li | and we probably should have a list of them written down somewhere | 03:59:52 |
| uep | well, fractal lets me post in it if i join by the id | 04:03:30 |
| Zhaofeng Li | yeah, tombstones and room upgrades just feel like cheap magic tricks | 04:04:10 |
| Zhaofeng Li | the rooms still exist, and people can still spam/post illegal content/etc | 04:04:52 |
| uep | we can shut down rooms | 04:06:51 |
| uep | but it only stops processing of events for them on the local homeserver | 04:07:06 |
