| 13 May 2025 |
 K900 | And no, IRC does not count | 12:34:02 |
 adamcstephens | at this point, IRC is about the same user friendliness. | 12:34:38 |
 Cat | And should note that we are curious about what tools are desired over in Draupnir but I’m well aware that better primitives are needed | 12:34:49 |
 @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | The only reason why IRC is "better" is because it doesnt support media and is less popular | 12:35:03 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | (If youre running your own HS, i can share a patch to disable remote media federation mostly) | 12:35:32 |
| K900 | Intentional mentions are a big attack vector right now | 12:35:38 |
| Cat | This stuff also wasn’t even a problem at this current scale for a while but now it has picked up. | 12:35:42 |
| K900 | Overall better policy would be great | 12:35:56 |
| K900 | e.g. trusted users being allowed to post images | 12:36:07 |
| K900 | Some protections for low entropy messages/repeated messages | 12:36:24 |
| K900 | Maybe some implementation of knocking-via-bot | 12:37:47 |
| K900 | Though that could be out of scope for Draupnir | 12:37:53 |
| Cat | Knocking via? | 12:38:20 |
| Cat | I am confused about what exactly you’re thinking about. | 12:38:55 |
| K900 | Basically being able to DM Draupnir to "knock" | 12:39:47 |
| K900 | Because client support for knocking is basically non-existent | 12:40:15 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | Ah and draupnir then sends the invite. The problem is still the lack of discoverability | 12:41:13 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | Would it be possible to somehow detect failed joins and automatically invite the user to a DM | 12:41:29 |
| K900 | We can think of discoverability when we've addressed safety | 12:41:40 |
| K900 | No | 12:41:45 |
| Cat | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
Basically being able to DM Draupnir to "knock" That sounds like a completely reasonable solution to that knocking has no gui. To have a knock bot. Be that Draupnir or something else. | 12:42:23 |
| adamcstephens | And how would a user know about this? | 12:42:44 |
| K900 | As an example, we could have a public room that is set to read-only | 12:43:14 |
| K900 | Containing instructions to DM the knock bot and be invited to the private room | 12:43:25 |
| K900 | But again, I don't care about discoverability right now | 12:43:35 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | NixOS - JOIN HERE FIRST | 12:43:36 |
| K900 | What I care about is not getting the existing rooms spammed to death | 12:43:56 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | writing a knock bot cant be that hard, i dont have the time, but it doesnt seem to bad | 12:44:19 |
| K900 | If we make things discoverable and all people discover are 30 pages of \n mentions and shock content, we did not win | 12:44:24 |
| K900 | Quite the opposite really | 12:44:31 |
