| 18 Apr 2024 |
 @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @charles:computer.surgery
What alternatives I assume Slack mainly and perhaps Zulip Chat and perhaps even mailing lists | 13:40:25 |
 K900 | Slack is a silo, Zulip is a semi-silo and has some really weird commercial licensing terms, mailing lists will make half the community quit instantly | 13:41:12 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @fractivore:cyberia.club
I'm just thinking, it can't be intended behavior. Thanks for engaging with me on this line of inquiry.
it can't be intended behavior.
I second this, I don't even see the "Nix Audio" and "Nix / NixOS (replaced)" rooms within the Nix space on my client.
Is it really the intended behavior to stop?* every N messages and recreate the room?
- I don't know the correct term
| 13:41:56 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
Slack is a silo, Zulip is a semi-silo and has some really weird commercial licensing terms, mailing lists will make half the community quit instantly and Zulip installation is hell, you can't even uninstall it :D | 13:42:54 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @fractivore:cyberia.club
I'm just thinking, it can't be intended behavior. Thanks for engaging with me on this line of inquiry. *
it can't be intended behavior.
I second this, I don't even see the "Nix Audio" room within the Nix space on my client. I assume topics and rooms under them are not in the space?
Is it really the intended behavior to stop?* every N messages and recreate the room?
- I don't know the correct term
| 13:43:50 |
| K900 | In reply to @adham-omran:matrix.org
it can't be intended behavior.
I second this, I don't even see the "Nix Audio" room within the Nix space on my client. I assume topics and rooms under them are not in the space?
Is it really the intended behavior to stop?* every N messages and recreate the room?
- I don't know the correct term
The intended behavior is to not have servers roll back persistent state | 13:44:27 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
Slack is a silo, Zulip is a semi-silo and has some really weird commercial licensing terms, mailing lists will make half the community quit instantly
mailing lists will make half the community quit instantly
I wasn't making a suggestion to switch but trying to expand on the alternatives
| 13:44:53 |
| K900 | Alternatives that we can't switch to aren't particularly interesting | 13:45:18 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
The intended behavior is to not have servers roll back persistent state I don't quite get this, are there resources I can look into about this?
I have a work team setup on Matrix and it's my first time seeing this behavior live, so I'd appreciate it if you could give me some resources for me to read further into it | 13:45:45 |
| K900 | The reason all the rooms are breaking is that the nixos.org server had an account and all associated data manually deleted from the database | 13:46:22 |
| K900 | Which is not something you should normally do, ever | 13:46:30 |
| K900 | And not really something the protocol is equipped to handle | 13:47:07 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
The reason all the rooms are breaking is that the nixos.org server had an account and all associated data manually deleted from the database How even... yeah this is not something that would normally happen. Thank you for the clarification | 13:48:59 |
| K900 | That server was hosted by EMS, which is Element's SaaS offering, and some people had accounts on it, including moderators that set up the rooms | 13:49:55 |
| K900 | And when the server was migrated to NixOS owned infra, they had to delete those for privacy reasons | 13:50:23 |
| K900 | The expectation was that preserving some state was better than starting from scratch | 13:52:02 |
| K900 | And that turned out to not really be the case | 13:52:13 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | Was there any announcement about this? | 13:52:28 |
| K900 | Not really? | 13:52:43 |
| K900 | Why would there be one? | 13:52:45 |
| K900 | The rooms mostly got fixed | 13:52:54 |
| K900 | And the people that had accounts on the nixos.org server were obviously made aware | 13:53:03 |
| K900 | Most people shouldn't have noticed anything | 13:53:16 |
 dgrig | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
And when the server was migrated to NixOS owned infra, they had to delete those for privacy reasons from what I see this migration hasn't happened yet, EMS still hosts the matrix server for nixos.org | 13:55:00 |
| K900 | Yes, the actual switchover is not done yet | 13:55:22 |
| K900 | But they did delete the accounts | 13:55:26 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
The rooms mostly got fixed The mostly is why I would have liked an announcement or info, the Nix Audio channel as you probably know got restarted | 14:10:36 |
| K900 | I don't know why the room was recreated | 14:10:54 |
| K900 | It shouldn't have been | 14:10:57 |
| K900 | And if it was, the old room should have been tombstoned | 14:11:12 |
