| 25 Jun 2021 |
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | So what can we do right now? | 03:16:27 |
 ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | what the hell does "unstable" mean | 03:16:29 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | right now? | 03:16:32 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | we can remove flakes | 03:16:34 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | just get rid of it | 03:16:44 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | I guess pushing the URF (outside of an RFC) is not a bad option, especially the Super Stupid Flakes aspect of it | 03:16:57 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
just get rid of it We caan't do that pareto-efficiently | 03:17:11 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
just get rid of it * We can't do that pareto-efficiently | 03:17:24 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | i see the URF as more bikeshedding on what flakes should be instead of what they shouldn't be (in nix) | 03:17:52 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | it's not a serious proposal for how to move forward | 03:18:21 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | it doesn't get anything done, it just proposes more options | 03:18:44 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | and what we need is not more options | 03:18:49 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | we need to make something happen | 03:18:55 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
we need to make something happen Can you code C++? | 03:19:27 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | I can't, and the URF is certainly not bikeshedding. | 03:19:54 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | no, and last time i tried hacking on nix it didn't work out | 03:20:02 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | i'm not gonna be the one to remove it from nix | 03:20:13 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | but we can do better than more rfc talk | 03:20:25 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | CitdelCore seems to transact upon it. | 03:20:51 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | That's a good sing, after only 3 days | 03:20:57 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | what is citadelcore | 03:21:06 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Who! | 03:21:11 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @blaggacao:matrix.org
There is already some work consolidating around the input stuff here: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4641 This PR and discussion | 03:21:43 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | who is citadelcore | 03:21:43 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | I think we need to fix flake input semantics, first. and completely get rid of output contracts. | 03:22:22 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | (the way they are today) | 03:22:30 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Getting rid of output contracts also get's rid of the cli tooling consumer of it. | 03:22:42 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | ... gets rid of nix flake in good part | 03:22:51 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * ... gets rid of nix flake in some part | 03:23:11 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | and is that supposed to be a step towards fixing flakes or removing them? | 03:23:24 |
