| 1 Jul 2021 |
 hexa | found it, thanks | 14:06:14 |
| 2 Jul 2021 |
|  Irenes joined the room. | 09:21:03 |
|  pie_ joined the room. | 12:18:07 |
| pie_ | Is there a threat model/description of whatever it is that verification of users does? | 12:18:27 |
| pie_ | * Is there a threat model/description of whatever it is that verification of users does somewhere? | 12:18:32 |
| pie_ | Im tiring infinisil by saying nonphysical verification is largely pointless, or somewhat undesirable :P | 12:19:14 |
| pie_ | and guessing about whether the verification codes are finderprints or random | 12:19:33 |
| pie_ | * Is there a threat model/description of whatever it is that verification of users protocol does somewhere? | 12:20:15 |
 infinisil | Oh I know for sure that the verification shows random emojis | 12:24:48 |
| infinisil | jcie74: If you do the verification multiple times, they'll be different | 12:25:00 |
| pie_ | might be TOTP | 12:25:10 |
| pie_ | * might be TOTP or whatever - something time dependent | 12:25:17 |
 f0x | In reply to @jcie74:matrix.org
Im tiring infinisil by saying nonphysical verification is largely pointless, or somewhat undesirable :P it's still TOFU | 12:25:24 |
| pie_ | I know what TOFU is but what do you mean | 12:26:01 |
| f0x | well that you see when it gets switched later | 12:27:22 |
| pie_ | In reply to @jcie74:matrix.org
might be TOTP or whatever - something time dependent or just salted | 12:27:24 |
| pie_ | In reply to @jcie74:matrix.org
might be TOTP or whatever - something time dependent * or just salted / something | 12:27:27 |
| pie_ | * or just salted with a nonce / something | 12:27:50 |
| pie_ | * or just salted with a nonce / something (im probably butchering the terminology) | 12:28:02 |
| infinisil | jcie74: https://matrix.org/docs/spec/client_server/r0.4.0#device-verification | 12:40:10 |
| infinisil | jcie74: https://matrix.org/docs/guides/end-to-end-encryption-implementation-guide | 12:40:27 |
| infinisil | Oh actually ignore the first link, that's an older version | 12:41:13 |
| infinisil | Here's the latest: https://matrix.org/docs/spec/client_server/latest#device-verification | 12:41:16 |
| infinisil | https://matrix.org/docs/spec/client_server/latest#sas-verification | 12:41:38 |
| pie_ | Ok Ill take a look later | 14:26:16 |
| 3 Jul 2021 |
 red | Oddly pie_ that would be a discussion I'd really enjoy having.
Gonna have to wait until I'm in a place with better internet access. | 15:12:22 |
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | Is latest element on andoid constantly crashing? | 16:03:49 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Is latest element on andoid constantly crashing for anybody else? | 16:04:09 |
| hexa | regularly | 16:07:12 |
| red | Erm, did we bridge to libera? | 16:30:27 |
