| 28 Feb 2024 |
 @sigmasquadron:matrix.org | you can’t ban a freely distributed project | 02:58:21 |
 @delroth:delroth.net | In reply to @sigmasquadron:matrix.org
you can’t ban a freely distributed project not a particularly useful property if you can de facto ban its development | 03:54:36 |
 @elvishjerricco:matrix.org |
The copyright infringement filing, from Nintendo of America, states that the Yuzu tool (from developer Tropic Haze LLC) illegally circumvents the software encryption and copyright protection systems of Nintendo Switch titles, and thus facilitates piracy and infringes copyright under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).
I think it depends on this. If yuzu is removing DRM, that's definitely illegal. If not, emulators as a whole are probably legal but not entirely clearly. IANAL but that's my understanding.
| 05:17:08 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | *
The copyright infringement filing, from Nintendo of America, states that the Yuzu tool (from developer Tropic Haze LLC) illegally circumvents the software encryption and copyright protection systems of Nintendo Switch titles, and thus facilitates piracy and infringes copyright under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).
I think it depends on this. In the US, if yuzu is removing DRM, that's definitely illegal. If not, emulators as a whole are probably legal but not entirely clearly. IANAL but that's my understanding.
| 05:17:28 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | And even if you can't stop people from doing illegal things, you sure can crack down on and crush the individuals doing the bulk of the legwork | 05:18:11 |
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 @antheww:matrix.rattlesnake.fr | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
https://overkill.wtf/nintendo-sue-yuzu-emulator/ Nintendo being douchebags once again | 13:02:08 |
 hexa | not the worst thing they have done | 13:02:31 |
| @antheww:matrix.rattlesnake.fr | True 😅 | 13:03:08 |
 @sr.estegosaurio:matrix.org | I really hope they loose. | 13:43:34 |
| @sr.estegosaurio:matrix.org | They complete jerks when it comes to copyright. | 13:46:24 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | well, again, I really think it's just going to come down to whether yuzu is actually doing drm removal. Because that's blatantly illegal in the US, and that's what they're accusing them of. If they're not, it should be a nothing-suit. Albeit one that could cost a lot of money for someone | 14:10:46 |
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 Nebula | someone will fork it and release it under a new name anyway | 14:31:21 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | In reply to @elvishjerricco:matrix.org
The copyright infringement filing, from Nintendo of America, states that the Yuzu tool (from developer Tropic Haze LLC) illegally circumvents the software encryption and copyright protection systems of Nintendo Switch titles, and thus facilitates piracy and infringes copyright under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).
I think it depends on this. In the US, if yuzu is removing DRM, that's definitely illegal. If not, emulators as a whole are probably legal but not entirely clearly. IANAL but that's my understanding.
every emulator for any console more recent than the Nintendo GameCube is "removing DRM" for some definition of "removing DRM", the problem is there's on precedent for how broad "removing DRM" should be and the law is written in the broadest of way with the expectation that the Librarian of Congress sets reasonable expectations | 15:57:49 |
| Nebula | it'll be an endless cycle | 14:31:33 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | In reply to @elvishjerricco:matrix.org
The copyright infringement filing, from Nintendo of America, states that the Yuzu tool (from developer Tropic Haze LLC) illegally circumvents the software encryption and copyright protection systems of Nintendo Switch titles, and thus facilitates piracy and infringes copyright under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).
I think it depends on this. In the US, if yuzu is removing DRM, that's definitely illegal. If not, emulators as a whole are probably legal but not entirely clearly. IANAL but that's my understanding.
* every emulator for any console more recent than the Nintendo GameCube is "removing DRM" for some definition of "removing DRM", the problem is there's no precedent for how broad "removing DRM" should be and the law is written in the broadest of way with the expectation that the Librarian of Congress sets reasonable expectations | 15:57:57 |
| Nebula | yuzu gets dmca'd -> new emulator based on yuzu pops up -> get's dmcad | 14:32:23 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | * every emulator for any console more recent than the Nintendo GameCube is "removing DRM" for some definition of "removing DRM", the problem is there's no precedent for how broad "removing DRM" should be and the law is written in the broadest of way with the expectation that the Librarian of Congress sets reasonable exceptions | 15:58:01 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | so no, drm removal is not "blatantly illegal", in fact https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/10/28/2021-23311/exemption-to-prohibition-on-circumvention-of-copyright-protection-systems-for-access-control lists a bunch of cases where it's specifically allowed, these cases don't include emulation, probably because nobody petitioned the Library of Congress to try and make that call | 15:59:30 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | (happy to take that discussion somewhere else, but in that case stop spewing bad uninformed legal opinions :) ) | 16:00:09 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | * (happy to take that discussion somewhere else, but in that case stop spewing bad uninformed legal opinions here :) ) | 16:00:14 |
 nyanbinary | I wonder if we can build yuzu-ea ourselves in nixpkgs (yuzu mainline is already built with hydra) | 16:03:45 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | is there anything that leads you to think it's not already built by hydra? | 16:05:20 |
 K900 | It should be built already | 16:06:38 |
| K900 | Unless it failed for some weird reason | 16:06:47 |
