| 29 Oct 2023 |
 maralorn | My heroic launcher regularly turns into a unsresponsive white screen, which is very unusable. Is that a known thing? | 15:50:13 |
 K900 | Upstream Electron bug AFAIK | 15:50:36 |
| maralorn | Great | 15:50:51 |
| K900 | The next release should be on a non-dead Electron version | 15:51:06 |
| K900 | Hopefully | 15:51:07 |
 @rikudou:lemmings.world | Electron should just die, it rarely works well. | 17:28:45 |
 @tejing:matrix.org | In reply to @rikudou:lemmings.world
Electron should just die, it rarely works well. it does have one legitimate use: making a browser | 17:30:17 |
| @tejing:matrix.org | like, one person can realistically create a daily-drivable browser using it, and it's not bloated because including a browser engine in a browser is kinda necessary :-P | 17:32:43 |
| @rikudou:lemmings.world | At that point, you can just use the browser itself (I guess Chromium? Not sure what does Electron use) | 17:33:40 |
| @tejing:matrix.org | rikudou@lemmings.world: it's difficult to customize. with electron, you get all the guts from chromium, but it's easy to make the ui work however you like | 17:34:12 |
| @tejing:matrix.org | see https://github.com/Jelmerro/Vieb | 17:34:27 |
| @rikudou:lemmings.world | Hm, not my cup of tea | 17:36:41 |
| @tejing:matrix.org | it's honestly the only keyboard-focused web-browsing solution I've found that doesn't have huge caveats. extensions don't have enough UI control to make it work, things like qutebrowser have too many integration issues. the electron path just seems to work the best | 17:39:46 |
| @tejing:matrix.org | * it's honestly the only keyboard-focused web-browsing solution I've found that doesn't have huge caveats. extensions don't have enough UI control to make it work as it really should, things like qutebrowser have too many integration issues. the electron path just seems to work the best | 17:40:03 |
| @rikudou:lemmings.world | Gonna have to trust you on that, it's so far from my use-case that I can't really form an opinion | 17:41:50 |
|  jacekpoz | 17:43:48 |
| jacekpoz | 17:43:57 |
| jacekpoz | 17:45:01 |
 @atemu12:matrix.org | In reply to @tejing:matrix.org
see https://github.com/Jelmerro/Vieb That looks interesting. Is there something like that but based on Gecko/Spidermonkey? Don't really want to give Google more market share. | 18:01:29 |
| @atemu12:matrix.org | In reply to @tejing:matrix.org
see https://github.com/Jelmerro/Vieb * That looks interesting. Is there something like that but based on Gecko/Spidermonkey? Don't really want to give Google more market share/control over the web. | 18:01:37 |
| @tejing:matrix.org | In reply to @atemu12:matrix.org
That looks interesting. Is there something like that but based on Gecko/Spidermonkey? Don't really want to give Google more market share/control over the web. Not that I'm aware of. | 18:02:42 |
 @2xsaiko:tchncs.de | the only way to use gecko without firefox that I'm aware of is https://github.com/sailfishos/qtmozembed | 18:07:50 |
| K900 | Gecko is, sadly, a huge pain to embed | 18:09:06 |
| @2xsaiko:tchncs.de | mhm | 18:09:16 |
| @rikudou:lemmings.world | In reply to @2xsaiko:tchncs.de
the only way to use gecko without firefox that I'm aware of is https://github.com/sailfishos/qtmozembed I've used SailfishOS until recently, quite nice OS | 19:17:49 |
 ShivaAU | > That looks interesting. Is there something like that but based on Gecko/Spidermonkey? Don't really want to give Google more market share/control over the web.
Ungoogled-Chromium is an option. | 20:44:25 |
| jacekpoz | 20:54:22 |
| jacekpoz | 20:54:33 |
| @atemu12:matrix.org | ShivaAU: That's precisely not an option for that specific case. As long as everyone uses chromiums, Google has control over the web | 20:55:34 |
| @tejing:matrix.org | Atemu: debatable, imo, given chromium is completely forkable if there was sufficient motivation to do so | 21:00:18 |
