| 31 Jul 2024 |
 Julien | I might want to go there, anyone else from the NixOS community is interested ? | 15:44:14 |
 raboof | Haven't decided yet - I enjoyed it last year by my September is pretty full already... | 16:04:17 |
 Pol | In reply to @julienmalka:matrix.org
I might want to go there, anyone else from the NixOS community is interested ? Perhaps me. | 19:56:44 |
| Pol | I've asked for a sponsor to go there. I'm waiting for news. | 19:56:58 |
| 2 Aug 2024 |
|  fiioul joined the room. | 19:40:07 |
| 8 Aug 2024 |
|  Alyssa Ross set a profile picture. | 18:48:57 |
| 12 Aug 2024 |
|  @henrytill:matrix.org left the room. | 22:41:50 |
| 13 Aug 2024 |
|  @nam3l33ss:matrix.org changed their profile picture. | 04:07:32 |
|  @ironbound:hackerspace.pl set a profile picture. | 07:58:39 |
| 14 Aug 2024 |
|  peddie changed their profile picture. | 00:34:59 |
| 17 Aug 2024 |
| @nam3l33ss:matrix.org changed their profile picture. | 08:27:21 |
| 22 Aug 2024 |
 emily | we don't want PGO by default on packages in the installation ISO right? | 15:54:15 |
| emily | cf. https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/336564 | 15:54:16 |
| Alyssa Ross | PGO can be reproducible, and if so there's not a problem. | 15:57:35 |
| Alyssa Ross | But in most cases it's not. | 15:57:43 |
| raboof | Ideally not indeed - indeed I've heard rumours of reproducible PGO builds, but that's probably only if you specifically work towards that, and even then I'm sceptical 😄 | 15:58:03 |
| emily | In reply to @qyliss:fairydust.space
PGO can be reproducible, and if so there's not a problem. by having someone record a profile and shipping that as an input, right? | 15:58:05 |
| emily | or is there another way? | 15:58:08 |
| Alyssa Ross | By having the thing you run to profile be deterministic | 15:58:22 |
| Alyssa Ross | which mostly means single threaded | 15:58:27 |
| emily | I see | 15:58:29 |
| emily | that sounds hard | 15:58:31 |
| Alyssa Ross | our foot pgo is reproducible | 15:58:33 |
| Alyssa Ross | But there's also an option for more complete foot PGO, which we don't use, that is not reproducible. | 15:58:52 |
| emily | just run all our PGO profiling on Antithesis 🙃 | 15:58:56 |
| emily | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
by having someone record a profile and shipping that as an input, right? this does work though, right? it seems like a benign kind of blob to me since the optimization decisions "shouldn't" affect the actual behaviour of the program (and because you can always reproduce an ~equivalent blob, a la bootstrap tarballs) | 15:59:47 |
| emily | I think Firefox PGO works like that or something? | 15:59:55 |
| Alyssa Ross | I don't think it's benign at all. | 16:00:11 |
| Alyssa Ross | It's not auditable to my knowledge, and compilers are not generally written to be secure against malicious input. | 16:00:45 |
| Alyssa Ross | Firefox PGO in Nixpkgs profiles during the build. | 16:00:53 |
