| 20 Jun 2021 |
 emily | the generation timestamp on r13y.com is older than that archived version | 21:39:56 |
| emily | so I guess it's some caching issue | 21:40:00 |
 hexa | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27573393 | 21:52:46 |
| hexa | and trending | 21:52:48 |
 tomberek | Did it happen?! | 22:03:41 |
 @grahamc:nixos.org | congratulations everyone, this is fantastic! | 23:23:22 |
| emily | that taviso comment just straight up assumes that everyone gets their binary software builds straight from the source code vendor :( | 23:56:47 |
| emily | another criticism of reproducible builds I encountered today was "this is useless... you have to pin all your dependencies!" >_>; | 23:59:47 |
| 21 Jun 2021 |
| @grahamc:nixos.org | don't worry about it :) it is great to see some people be grumpy about the good work we're doing | 01:02:43 |
| hexa | heh, taviso has been downvoted | 01:07:05 |
| hexa | his post is essentially dead | 01:07:30 |
| @grahamc:nixos.org | if I'd known we'd see such response to hitting 100% I'd have thought more carefully about the text at the bottom, and how to refer to the rest of the ecosystem and the fact that we're benefiting a lot from the ecosystem | 01:17:37 |
| @grahamc:nixos.org | any suggested text on how to communicate this? | 01:20:24 |
 siraben | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
and trending YAY | 01:22:25 |
 bryan | In reply to @grahamc:nixos.org
any suggested text on how to communicate this? A short history of the effort? | 01:24:33 |
 Xe | what compiler bundle does nixos use as the root of the reproducibility effort? | 01:29:59 |
| hexa | you mean what's in stdenv(.cc)? | 01:30:39 |
| hexa | ❯ nix-build -A stdenv.cc
/nix/store/gg2rq3hrl3rf92nq6dnqhdyyxaa89aqf-gcc-wrapper-10.3.0
| 01:31:07 |
| Xe | is that c compiler used to rebuild itself? | 01:34:24 |
| @grahamc:nixos.org | that is already a post-bootstrapping gcc | 01:35:12 |
| Xe | oh, what's the bootstrapping root then? | 01:35:38 |
| @grahamc:nixos.org | it is a fairly standard set of tools that are made sure they can be built reproducibly and then tar'd up | 01:36:41 |
| @grahamc:nixos.org | 1s | 01:36:41 |
| @grahamc:nixos.org | Xe: https://search.nix.gsc.io/?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftarballs.nixos.org%2Fstdenv&i=nope&files=&repos= | 01:38:17 |
|  ziguana joined the room. | 01:39:00 |
| Xe | and the ultimate root is some set of tools that eelco originally made nix with? | 01:39:34 |
| @grahamc:nixos.org | iirc they came from suse | 01:40:31 |
| @grahamc:nixos.org | ~forever ago | 01:40:59 |
| Xe | so i guess if somehow there's a "more verifiable" way to make the root bundle of compilers then using it would boil down to replacing the tarball in bootstrapTools? | 01:42:23 |
| @grahamc:nixos.org | sure | 01:42:44 |
