| 26 May 2021 |
 Jonas Chevalier | oops, my bad | 10:35:12 |
| Jonas Chevalier | ahem :) | 10:35:35 |
 Gytis Ivaskevicius | Do you guys think that it would be worth replacing bash within few years timeline? 🤔 | 10:36:03 |
 andi- | If it provides benefits over just not being bash :D | 10:36:21 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | (And honestly i'd love to see some linux disto that is like "fuck posix, and other old standards") | 10:36:51 |
| andi- | If I can write more nix code instead of bash for complex builds. stdenv.doBuild { steps = [ (mkDir "foo") (chDir "foo") (invoke "make") ]; } | 10:37:01 |
| Jonas Chevalier | at the moment we don't have much visibility on how much bash is an overhead to build times | 10:37:02 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @andi:kack.it
If it provides benefits over just not being bash :D How much value are we talking about? | 10:37:07 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I bet there is a factor of 10 available for small derivations | 10:37:17 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
I bet there is a factor of 10 available for small derivations oh yeah, in fact maybe small binary or nix builtin should be written for trivial-builders.nix | 10:37:54 |
| andi- | Oh yes | 10:37:56 |
| andi- | When I was working on my package set it became so obvious how slow bash is :/ | 10:38:15 |
| andi- | Simply not having any stdenv was so much fast :D | 10:38:31 |
| andi- | In reply to @gytis-ivaskevicius:matrix.org
How much value are we talking about? I think a guix style benefit would be nice but probably not realistic as they also execute guile within the build. | 10:39:16 |
| Jonas Chevalier | that's another benefit of experimenting with scratchix | 10:39:58 |
| Jonas Chevalier | it allows to play with ideas like that | 10:40:06 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @andi:kack.it
I think a guix style benefit would be nice but probably not realistic as they also execute guile within the build. if i recall correctly they use the lispy shell which is basically unusable shell and more like proper lispy programming language | 10:40:33 |
| andi- | Yeah, that is fine for build scripts | 10:41:03 |
 toonn | Being able to reuse Guix work would be pretty cool though. | 10:41:14 |
| andi- | Probably not practical as they have a nice integration from eval -> derivation where they can pass lipsy code, no? | 10:42:04 |
| andi- | Instead we are stuck with our custom Nix interpreter that can't even be used outside of a store environment.. | 10:42:29 |
