| 26 May 2021 |
 Gytis Ivaskevicius | python is not really an option tho | 10:22:19 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | big dependency | 10:22:23 |
 andi- | glibc already depends on python... | 10:22:56 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | different shell would be nice. nu shell and ion shell seem to be like solid options | 10:23:18 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @andi:kack.it
glibc already depends on python... ahh, thats fun. But it is not a runtime dependency | 10:23:47 |
| andi- | Yeah they have some build scripts that invoke it. I believe they are doing some code generation from syscall tables or such | 10:24:09 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | Also python would probably slow things down | 10:24:20 |
| andi- | tbh I think one of the reasons nixpkgs is successful is due to bash. | 10:24:24 |
 Jonas Chevalier | The macOS libc used to have a runtime dependency on perl | 10:24:41 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @andi:kack.it
tbh I think one of the reasons nixpkgs is successful is due to bash. what do you mean? | 10:24:41 |
| andi- | The majority of people are "familiar" (to a degree of writing conditionals and assigning vars) with it | 10:24:48 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | ahh | 10:24:57 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | Feel free to go over the docs, im sure you peeps will find atleast few things that you like https://doc.redox-os.org/ion-manual/html/ | 10:25:38 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | it has proper arrays and stuff | 10:25:42 |
| andi- | If you now switch that to some estoteric-ish language you'll exclude some people due to raising the barrier for contribution... While I still think that someone that learns Nix properly shouldn't have an issue writing either python / osh / ... | 10:25:48 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | Also this looks like a very solid alternative to more serious scripts (perl/python) https://deno.land/ | 10:26:25 |
| andi- | O.O | 10:26:35 |
| andi- | Not sure I want undefined has not attribute bla in my build scripts | 10:26:57 |
| andi- | * Not sure I want undefined has no attribute bla in my build scripts | 10:27:03 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | oh cmon, python is basically same shit. In fact typescript is more secure than python | 10:27:30 |
| andi- | what are the bootstrap requirements for deno? | 10:28:06 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | 
Download image.png | 10:28:56 |
| Jonas Chevalier | isn't deno a re-implementation of nodejs? | 10:28:58 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
isn't deno a re-implementation of nodejs? yes, i guess? | 10:29:13 |
| andi- | The good parts about our bash is that it is extensible. You don't have to rebuild the world if you add new features to the build env as you can just pull in some setup hook that is being sourced. | 10:29:20 |
| andi- | We would need at least that with any other language. | 10:29:29 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | it is still based on v8 engine, author is the same as well. It is just minimized by quite a bit | 10:29:37 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @andi:kack.it
The good parts about our bash is that it is extensible. You don't have to rebuild the world if you add new features to the build env as you can just pull in some setup hook that is being sourced. how is that different from pretty much any scripting language? you just eval some code | 10:30:22 |
| Jonas Chevalier | the main reason why bash works well is that the program can be composed from a number of "chunks" for each phases | 10:30:41 |
| andi- | Yeah sure but it has to be not painful to implement and having to go back to the stdenv code must be rare. | 10:30:50 |
