| 8 May 2022 |
 davidak | * clean room reimplementation is a thing. like the wine people can only publish their work when they haven't looked at leaked windows code or when they had access under NDA. not sure how that works in detail legally | 07:02:01 |
 afontain | I mean, what are the essential 4 free software liberties? | 07:24:16 |
| afontain | 4th is about learning | 07:24:31 |
| afontain | I'd be surprised if guix would claim that you can't look at their code and use the knowledge you learned | 07:25:53 |
| afontain | * I'd be surprised if guix would claim that you can't look at their code and use the knowledge you learned [to write another implementation] | 07:26:18 |
| davidak | the license forbids to use the code in MIT code which will be made proprietary eventually. feel free to ask them how strict they see it | 08:14:51 |
 Alyssa Ross | we wouldn't be using the code though | 08:42:31 |
| Alyssa Ross | ideas and algorithms are not copyrightable | 08:42:38 |
| Alyssa Ross | so i highly doubt a bootstrap path would be | 08:42:45 |
 moritz.hedtke | In reply to @qyliss:fairydust.space
ideas and algorithms are not copyrightable Some try to pretend they are but yes | 09:49:11 |
| moritz.hedtke | Like there are patents on that (though patents are another thing( | 09:49:31 |
| moritz.hedtke | * ~~Some try to pretend they are but yes~~ | 09:50:01 |
| moritz.hedtke | * ~Some try to pretend they are but yes~ | 09:50:08 |
| moritz.hedtke | * __Some try to pretend they are but yes__ | 09:50:20 |
| moritz.hedtke | * Some try to pretend they are but yes | 09:50:30 |
| moritz.hedtke | * ~~Some try to pretend they are but yes~~ | 09:50:47 |
| moritz.hedtke | * ~~Like there are patents on that (though patents are another thing)~~ | 09:50:52 |
| moritz.hedtke | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design just read the first paragraph. It protects against copyrights so if you can show you did a clean room design they can't sue you. If we don't and they would sue us we would probably need so show that we didn't simply copy their code. Don't know how hard that would be if it would probably be a different programming language but yeah | 09:59:18 |
 @rnhmjoj:maxwell.ydns.eu | has any FOSS project ever sued another for this? I can't imaging GNU suing uutils, which IIRC is pretty much a rip off of their coreutils | 12:30:21 |
| Alyssa Ross | it's a reimplementation, but I'm not aware of any reason it would be infringing on their IP | 13:07:07 |
| Alyssa Ross | if reimplementations were illegal GNU couldn't exist in the first place | 13:07:22 |
| @rnhmjoj:maxwell.ydns.eu | yes, but IIRC from the discussion around it some years ago, they didn't do a clean room design, so it's not just implementing a public AP | 15:06:00 |
| @rnhmjoj:maxwell.ydns.eu | * yes, but IIRC from the discussion around it some years ago, they didn't do a clean room design, so it's not just implementing a public API | 15:06:13 |
| 10 May 2022 |
 artturin | Redacted or Malformed Event | 17:00:48 |
| artturin | In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org
siraben: newest iso_minimal run: https://tomberek.info/r13y.com/ could you run it again? | 17:01:07 |
| artturin | the dbus repro issue isn't fixed yet but will be fixed in https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/172367 | 18:35:28 |
 tomberek | In reply to @artturin:matrix.org
could you run it again? in progress: https://buildkite.com/tomberek/r13y/builds/31#b65ca6ab-31a2-4558-bb11-1adbe0d37b58 | 18:55:41 |
| 11 May 2022 |
|  ryne joined the room. | 15:50:33 |
| tomberek | https://tomberek.info/r13y.com/ updated | 17:44:07 |
| 12 May 2022 |
| artturin | the sphinx impurity is due to https://github.com/sphinx-doc/sphinx/blob/068f802df90ea790f89319094e407c4d5f6c26ff/setup.cfg#L6 | 00:17:22 |
