| 26 Aug 2024 |
 emily | the "minimum supported version of the platform" | 02:34:04 |
| emily | rather than Python stuff having to figure it out | 02:34:15 |
 Alyssa Ross | We have a fake uname package | 08:31:48 |
| Alyssa Ross | Although I think here setting it to linuxHeaders.version probably makes sense. | 08:32:15 |
| emily | what does that one output? :) | 14:10:54 |
| emily | we should align them in any case | 14:10:58 |
| emily | and add a fake sw_vers to match, that came up recently | 14:11:04 |
| Alyssa Ross | I don't know. tbh I'm not a fan. | 14:27:44 |
| emily | because you'd prefer to patch stuff? | 14:28:01 |
| Alyssa Ross | yeah | 14:28:24 |
| emily | adisbladis: fwiw apparently macOS already scrubs this info for Python https://matrix.to/#/!lheuhImcToQZYTQTuI:nixos.org/$d2JnDxYdhDRsYkHK84BfURKIr4LVjWNiKHAdjVHrmNo?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=nixos.dev | 14:30:11 |
| emily | and it has caused a few issues, so be aware if you follow suit | 14:30:19 |
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| 5 Sep 2024 |
 Moritz Sanft | Just to confirm for a talk: At some point, the minimal ISO was reproducible, right? | 14:11:57 |
 raboof | yes (https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-reproducible-builds-minimal-installation-iso-successfully-independently-rebuilt/34756) - AFAIK it still is, but I'll admit I haven't tried since June | 14:13:23 |
| emily | I thought jfsutils was scuppering it | 14:13:42 |
| raboof | yes and no: we have a strong indication that jfsutils sometimes produces a different output (https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/276433), but it's rare enough that I have never actually ran into that when trying to reproduce the ISO | 14:17:06 |
| raboof | so we're tracking it and want to fix it to avoid false negatives, but it didn't prevent us from reproducing the ISO so far | 14:18:09 |
| raboof | (aka worst-case the issue would cause us not to trust a build that was actually safe, it will never cause us to trust a build that was actually unsafe) | 14:21:03 |
| emily | maybe I should get around to removing JFS to help you out :) | 14:21:15 |
| emily | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/339821 | 15:01:31 |
| emily | merry christmas | 15:01:33 |
 Philip Taron (UTC-8) | I merged it. | 18:30:22 |
| emily | I've noticed lately that the key to getting things merged in Nixpkgs is to have a PR message of approximately 5 times the length of the diff | 18:31:41 |
| Philip Taron (UTC-8) | It does help that it reads like a motion made with careful forethought and background. In this case, it was actually an anime gif from the release manager that sealed the deal. | 18:33:51 |
 Kamilla 'ova | In reply to @raboof:matrix.org
yes and no: we have a strong indication that jfsutils sometimes produces a different output (https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/276433), but it's rare enough that I have never actually ran into that when trying to reproduce the ISO by the way, this problem is most likely caused by the gnu&llvm strip bug, since I can't reproduce this very strange output with dontStrip = true (after 1000+ rebuilds, with dontStrip = false it fails to reproduce under ~300 rebuilds)
and this is the end, my strength was not enough for further debugging :(
| 20:04:39 |
| Kamilla 'ova | and I was able to reproduce this only in the nix build sandbox, but I did't try to reproduce this with genericBuild under the jfsutils's nix-shell | 20:07:55 |
| emily | thank you for your work on it :) | 20:08:47 |
