| 22 Apr 2025 |
 Tristan Ross | Idk where you even buy the hardware lol | 04:54:07 |
 aleksana 🏳️⚧️ (force me to bed after 18:00 UTC) | In reply to @rosscomputerguy:matrix.org
Apparently since 2023 Looks like it doesn't | 04:54:59 |
| aleksana 🏳️⚧️ (force me to bed after 18:00 UTC) | I can search 3A5000 and 3A6000 on Amazon | 04:55:26 |
| aleksana 🏳️⚧️ (force me to bed after 18:00 UTC) | They just don't say it's loongarch | 04:55:56 |
| Tristan Ross | Huh | 04:56:16 |
| Tristan Ross | Amazon says it's ARM lol | 04:56:22 |
| Tristan Ross | Redacted or Malformed Event | 04:56:45 |
| Tristan Ross | But yeah, two options | 04:56:46 |
| Tristan Ross | Oh woops, forgot the mod bot deletes images | 04:56:57 |
| aleksana 🏳️⚧️ (force me to bed after 18:00 UTC) | We can move to exotic group | 04:57:20 |
 John Ericson | hmm targetPackages.bintools does sound like a mistake! | 16:07:02 |
| John Ericson | good eye! | 16:07:04 |
 Randy Eckenrode | In reply to @rosscomputerguy:matrix.org
I changed it, so x86_64-darwin isn't as used with nix as aarch64-darwin? We don’t collect any stats, so we don’t know, but it’s likely Apple will announce this year or next that x86_64-darwin support is being ended. | 16:34:43 |
| Tristan Ross | In reply to @reckenrode:matrix.org
We don’t collect any stats, so we don’t know, but it’s likely Apple will announce this year or next that x86_64-darwin support is being ended. Gotcha, I'm thinking it might be nice to get some of that information on the surveys the marketing team runs. | 16:39:14 |
| Tristan Ross | Graham shared this https://x.com/grhmc/status/1914679840843719157 | 16:39:51 |
| Tristan Ross | So it looks like aarch64 is significantly higher than x86_64 Darwin at least for DetSys | 16:40:31 |
| Tristan Ross | Ofc that's not the exact information we need but gives an idea | 16:40:47 |
| Tristan Ross | Oh yeah, @[John Ericson]. I know you were involved in the RFC for the platform tier support. I'm wanting to expand upon it and work on a new platform tier list based on this: https://pad.lassul.us/9yYTVp73QBul7dCm6tCWsw?view. I'd appreciate you're feedback and seeing what we can do to improve it. | 17:08:52 |
| Tristan Ross | I'm thinking something which lists each tiers and has a breakdown of the support should be clear enough. | 17:09:28 |
| John Ericson | I am not at all sentimental about that RFC | 17:10:35 |
| John Ericson | revisions are fine! | 17:10:38 |
 emily | I do think that any revision should take into account use on the NixOS infra as a criterion | 17:20:23 |
| emily | since as long as we need to run aarch64-darwin machines to build anything, there will be expectations relating to it regardless of formal tier | 17:20:51 |
| Tristan Ross | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
I do think that any revision should take into account use on the NixOS infra as a criterion Yes, that's kinda why Ofborg + Hydra is mentioned | 17:24:16 |
| Tristan Ross | Having Ofborg support is kinda like a baseline for Hydra. It means we do have machines and some sort of CI. | 17:24:51 |
 Alyssa Ross | I kind of feel that to be in whatever the top tier is it should be possible for contributors to reproduce issues on that platform — in a VM or cross is fine, but having to obtain a license for a proprietary OS is not. | 17:29:01 |
| Alyssa Ross | Community builder mitigates this to an extent but isn't open to everyone and I'm not sure if it also comes with EULA obligations on its users. | 17:29:35 |
| Alyssa Ross | Like sometimes it's just not really fair to expect contributors to do things with Darwin in the way we can for Linux. | 17:30:14 |
| emily | I don't think that would be the case if half of all users and contributors were on Darwin though | 17:30:46 |
| Alyssa Ross | The fact that the platform can break underneath us is also a concern for calling things "Tier 1", IMO. | 17:30:51 |
