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| 30 Nov 2025 |
| aleksi | Hi! Would there be interest in an x86_64-native and riscv64-native minimal bootstrap chain? I've been working on fixing some bugs in tinycc-mob to hopefully make this possible | 11:31:25 |
 helle (just a stray cat girl) | I have been slightly working on riscv64 bootstrap, though with a slightly different early approach, though the latter stages in the bootstrap are identical and would be useful to have polished | 11:36:00 |
| helle (just a stray cat girl) | sadly due to illness not managed to work on it much | 11:36:25 |
| aleksi | Sorry to hear that. An alternative early stage sound interestings | 11:37:58 |
| aleksi | * | 11:38:03 |
| helle (just a stray cat girl) | yep, as the quality of tinycc uh, leaves some to be desired | 11:41:16 |
 Alyssa Ross | I think there certainly would be | 12:11:51 |
 dish [Fox/It/She] | i would definitely be interested in that | 15:19:24 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | also looking for any additional reviews/feedback on https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/448701 before I merge it | 15:26:04 |
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| 3 Dec 2025 |
| aleksi | dish [Fox/It/She]Nice, the bootstrap chain for x86_64 and riscv64 is basically working on my branch of Aux foundation: https://git.auxolotl.org/aleksi/foundation/src/branch/riscv64-bootstrap
Compared to that PR (LGTM but I'm not a nixpkgs expert), the difference is mostly bugfixes to mes & tinycc-bootstrappable, upgraded tinycc-mob and getting gcc 4.6 from ekaitz-zarraga for a RV64 backend | 19:14:31 |
| aleksi | There are some assorted little patches besides that | 19:14:38 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | those are some nice patches, will look at that soon | 19:18:49 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | definitely appreciate the work that aux foundation has done on bootstrapping properly | 19:19:03 |
| aleksi | Thanks, no problem | 19:23:25 |
| aleksi | I see live-bootstrap people have also bootstrapped autotools to prevent relying on autogenerated configure scripts. I don't know if nixpkgs wants or needs that though | 19:24:13 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | i wish we had proper hooks to remove all autogenerated files ahead of builds. Like, test binaries (xz backdoor), but also autotools artifacts. We currently don't really do that... | 19:26:58 |
| helle (just a stray cat girl) | I mean I complain already about downloading binaries when we can build from source for things | 19:27:44 |
| helle (just a stray cat girl) | "but there is no build system in the source" and it turns out Debian has already made a perfectly adequate build system for it | 19:28:20 |
 Qyriad | heck autoreconfHook isn't in default stdenv but running ./configure is | 19:30:01 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | yes | 19:30:19 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | its a mess | 19:30:22 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | I would like find . -type f -executable -exec rm {} \; as an early build step... | 19:32:18 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | (more care would be needed, because some projects have the permission bits on files they later install. But still, nothing of the source should start out executable.) | 19:33:27 |
| helle (just a stray cat girl) | one of my reasons for annoyance is, we know that what is in nixpkgs is consistent across builders, but the optimisation of knowing what is in it in the first place would be nicer still | 19:34:25 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | we do have some dumb impurities in nix though | 19:35:23 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | like, it makes a difference whether builder is running hardened kernel or not for things like asan and valgrind | 19:35:44 |
