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26 May 2025
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan RossYeah, but I don't think we can drop GCC.21:04:07
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan RossI consider it part of the "defacto standard Linux environment"21:04:27
@grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.deGrimmauld (any/all)tbf, fhs-compliance is also part of the de-facto standard...21:04:57
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan Ross Kinda like GNU coreutils 21:05:01
@grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.deGrimmauld (any/all)nothing that can't be fixed given enough patches21:05:08
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan Ross
In reply to @grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.de
tbf, fhs-compliance is also part of the de-facto standard...
Well, we're exempt from that
21:05:13
@grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.deGrimmauld (any/all)i quite enjoy building the same thing with different toolchains - it shows where the flaky parts are, where assumptions are being made that might not hold21:06:11
@grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.deGrimmauld (any/all) not having gcc would be fancy. 21:06:24
@trofi:matrix.org@trofi:matrix.orgwould be nice not to have a cross-only llvm21:06:41
@trofi:matrix.org@trofi:matrix.orgbut having an llvm-only bootstrap would be a good test if it's easy to make a componentized-gcc bootstrap21:07:09
@trofi:matrix.org@trofi:matrix.org(i think it's very much not easy, but you already know that)21:07:33
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan Ross Yeah 21:08:44
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan Ross I've already been looking into things to make it possible 21:08:54
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan Ross One of the reasons why I've been working on fixing up pkgsLLVM 21:09:11
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan Ross More things that work there, the better they'll work natively 21:09:24
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan Ross Plus, I'll run native LLVM once it's possible 21:09:35
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan RossRebuild the world on Ampere with 128 cores.21:09:50
@grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.deGrimmauld (any/all) before i do that i want proper tooling to not do world rebuilds whenever i poke at some low-level dep... 21:10:30
@grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.deGrimmauld (any/all)i suppose thatn is on nix, not stdenv...21:10:45
@trofi:matrix.org@trofi:matrix.orgYeah, nix does not give you an easy way to graft a low-level dependency.21:11:48
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily
In reply to @rosscomputerguy:matrix.org
I know not everyone is available for calls which is why I made a doc. I think a mixture of async + sync is good. We can all be on the same page with the design doc while some of us are doing a call to pair up and blaze through things.
I'm not sure how we're meant to work together as a team when IIRC every single other member present agreed that sync calls don't suit their availability... if the vast majority of the team can't make the calls then we can't make collective decisions on them as a team, so either it won't actually be able to move design/decisions forward or it'll just be pushing things through without consensus.
21:22:01
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyeven if we had the collective availability for it it's very hard to schedule sync calls across a distributed international team on a regular basis unless there's consistent availability at specific times21:22:45
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilywhich is not really realistic when we are all working as volunteers and have communicated the constraints on our time and how we can best collaborate effectively under them...21:23:15
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan RossI understand that part, at least Ericson and I are able to work together on pairing up together and we can work async with the rest of the team.21:24:50
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan RossEricson and I are going to work on some libc improvements soon. After I come back from Florida, I'll be splitting GCC up.21:26:39
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan RossI did work on https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/409851 for almost a week now and it's almost in a good state.21:28:08
28 May 2025
@chn:chn.moe陈浩南 joined the room.11:33:28
@chn:chn.moe陈浩南 I found that in current nixos-unstable, gcc.cc is not gcc14.cc. But I could not find out where makes the difference. 11:34:22
@chn:chn.moe陈浩南Redacted or Malformed Event11:34:47
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This is my nix repl history:

nix-repl> :lf github:NixOS/nixpkgs/nixos-unstable
Added 17 variables.

nix-repl> outputs.legacyPackages.x86_64-linux.gcc.cc
«derivation /nix/store/sjzbql9ja7p7c08ziagba11cnvj6lsz9-gcc-14.2.1.20250322.drv»

nix-repl> outputs.legacyPackages.x86_64-linux.gcc14.cc
«derivation /nix/store/f3gx5c6q45nsskjyx451amqmzyvasr90-gcc-14.2.1.20250322.drv»
11:35:36

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