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3 May 2025
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy Eckenrode *

It would also fix the following warnings when SwiftPM invokes Clang.

clang: warning: overriding '-mmacos-version-min=11.3' option with '-target arm64-apple-macosx10.13'
17:15:07
4 May 2025
@aleksana:mozilla.orgaleksana 🏳️‍⚧️ (force me to bed after 18:00 UTC)Two PRs aiming to fix "cross compilation" between different march https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/403549 https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/40396007:08:19
@numinit:matrix.orgMorgan (@numinit)

Randy Eckenrode: Hey there, Darwin question for you. ponyc does this and we have to patch:

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/by-name/po/ponyc/fix-darwin-build.patch

However, hydra is complaining about:

ld: warning: directory not found for option '-L/nix/store/6fg11q5s4xpgfpvps1hy7w9vjhfl14mx-Libsystem-11.0/lib'
ld: library not found for -lSystem

Feel like I'm just missing something stupid here.

21:58:08
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy Eckenrode Don’t use darwin.Libsystem. It’s an empty stub with nothing in it. It’s scheduled for removal too. If you need to find the location of libSystem.tbd, it’s in $SDKROOT/usr/lib. 22:00:16
@numinit:matrix.orgMorgan (@numinit)Gotcha, that explains it22:01:12
@numinit:matrix.orgMorgan (@numinit)Thanks, I'll give that a shot22:01:27
@numinit:matrix.orgMorgan (@numinit)Aha, solved it. Thank you23:38:43
9 May 2025
@p14:matrix.orgp14

Wait, does this make sense?

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/907e98d6cc08e3261b63e3f8d2831841817b0041/pkgs/build-support/bintools-wrapper/ld-wrapper.sh#L84-L95

NIX_LDFLAGS_@suffixSalt@ and NIX_LDFLAGS_BEFORE_@suffixSalt@ are gated on the link type being empty. But NIX_LDFLAGS_AFTER_@suffixSalt@ is not.

An oversight, I presume? I just hit it with a bit of confusion as to why my override was not having effect in a static build (where the link type is set). It also looks to me like any tests should be using $linkType, per https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/907e98d6cc08e3261b63e3f8d2831841817b0041/pkgs/build-support/bintools-wrapper/ld-wrapper.sh#L32

06:01:05
@p14:matrix.orgp14 *

Wait, does this make sense?

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/907e98d6cc08e3261b63e3f8d2831841817b0041/pkgs/build-support/bintools-wrapper/ld-wrapper.sh#L84-L95

NIX_LDFLAGS_@suffixSalt@ and NIX_LDFLAGS_BEFORE_@suffixSalt@ are gated on the link type being empty. But NIX\_LDFLAGS\_AFTER\_@suffixSalt@ is not.

An oversight, I presume? I just hit it with a bit of confusion as to why my override was not having effect in a static build (where the link type is set). It also looks to me like any tests should be using $linkType, per https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/907e98d6cc08e3261b63e3f8d2831841817b0041/pkgs/build-support/bintools-wrapper/ld-wrapper.sh#L32

06:01:27
@p14:matrix.orgp14 *

Wait, does this make sense?

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/907e98d6cc08e3261b63e3f8d2831841817b0041/pkgs/build-support/bintools-wrapper/ld-wrapper.sh#L84-L95

NIX_LDFLAGS_@suffixSalt@ and NIX_LDFLAGS_BEFORE_@suffixSalt@ are gated on the link type being empty. But NIX_LDFLAGS_AFTER_@suffixSalt@ is not.

An oversight, I presume? I just hit it with a bit of confusion as to why my override was not having effect in a static build (where the link type is set). It also looks to me like any tests should be using $linkType, per https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/907e98d6cc08e3261b63e3f8d2831841817b0041/pkgs/build-support/bintools-wrapper/ld-wrapper.sh#L32

06:01:35
@p14:matrix.orgp14 It looks to me like the second condition ($linkType == dynamic) doesn't especially make sense to be gated by if [ -z "${NIX_LINK_TYPE_@suffixSalt@:-}" ], so it doesn't belong nested in that conditional. And I don't see a good reason to gate the availability of 'NIX_LDFLAGS_*` on the link type. 06:03:34
@p14:matrix.orgp14 *

Wait, does this make sense?

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/907e98d6cc08e3261b63e3f8d2831841817b0041/pkgs/build-support/bintools-wrapper/ld-wrapper.sh#L84-L95

NIX_LDFLAGS_@suffixSalt@ and NIX_LDFLAGS_BEFORE_@suffixSalt@ are gated on the link type being empty. But NIX_LDFLAGS_AFTER_@suffixSalt@ is not.

An oversight, I presume? I just hit it with a bit of confusion as to why my override was not having effect in a static build (where the link type is set to static, but $NIX_LINK_TYPE is empty). It also looks to me like any tests should be using $linkType, per https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/907e98d6cc08e3261b63e3f8d2831841817b0041/pkgs/build-support/bintools-wrapper/ld-wrapper.sh#L32

06:04:24
@p14:matrix.orgp14Oh, meanwhile, NIX_LDFLAGS_BEFORE are also handled in the cc-wrapper, and added as -Wl, to add to the confusion. And the actual reason my flags weren't taking effect was because I had the wrong suffixSalt in effect.06:17:29
10 May 2025
@p14:matrix.orgp14

I'm messing with my own stdenvStages as an experiment and to learn about the stdenv.

I've hit upon a fun problem. If I add my own stage which makes use of a suffixed compiler from an earlier stage, the wrapped compiler is suffixed but the unwrapped compiler is not. This line:

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/1a5bd697adecf27385b69352485baa52a6e02fe9/pkgs/build-support/cc-wrapper/setup-hook.sh#L93

Ends up putting the $CC_FOR_BUILD's unwrapped compiler in the $PATH before the host compiler. So which $CC resolves as the unwrapped $CC_FOR_BUILD instead of $CC's wrapped compiler.

This works fine for most standard scenarios, I think, because normally you'd be using some native (and unsuffixed) compiler as $CC_FOR_BUILD (=gcc) and the $CC would be set to some suffixed compiler.

So if $PATH = cc-for-build:cc-for-build-unwrapped:cc:cc-unwrapped; the path search works fine because it find the suffixed compiler in :cc:.

Not sure exactly how to solve it; I don't yet see why you'd want the unwrapped compiler in the path at all.

12:05:51
@p14:matrix.orgp14 *

I'm messing with my own stdenvStages as an experiment and to learn about the stdenv.

I've hit upon a fun problem. If I add my own stage which makes use of a suffixed compiler from an earlier stage, the wrapped compiler is suffixed but the unwrapped compiler is not. This line:

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/1a5bd697adecf27385b69352485baa52a6e02fe9/pkgs/build-support/cc-wrapper/setup-hook.sh#L93

Ends up putting the $CC_FOR_BUILD's unwrapped compiler in the $PATH before the host compiler. So which $CC resolves as the unwrapped $CC_FOR_BUILD instead of $CC's wrapped compiler.

This works fine for most standard scenarios, I think, because normally you'd be using some native (and unsuffixed) compiler as $CC_FOR_BUILD (=gcc) and the $CC would be set to some suffixed compiler.

So if $PATH = cc-for-build:cc-for-build-unwrapped:cc:cc-unwrapped; the path search works fine because it finds the suffixed compiler in :cc:.

Not sure exactly how to solve it; I don't yet see why you'd want the unwrapped compiler in the path at all.

12:06:16
@p14:matrix.orgp14 *

I'm messing with my own stdenvStages as an experiment and to learn about the stdenv.

I've hit upon a fun problem. If I add my own stage which makes use of a target-prefixed compiler from an earlier stage, the wrapped compiler is prefixed but the unwrapped compiler is not. This line:

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/1a5bd697adecf27385b69352485baa52a6e02fe9/pkgs/build-support/cc-wrapper/setup-hook.sh#L93

Ends up putting the $CC_FOR_BUILD's unwrapped compiler in the $PATH before the host compiler. So which $CC resolves as the unwrapped $CC_FOR_BUILD instead of $CC's wrapped compiler.

This works fine for most standard scenarios, I think, because normally you'd be using some native (and unprefixed) compiler as $CC_FOR_BUILD (=gcc) and the $CC would be set to some prefixed compiler.

So if $PATH = cc-for-build:cc-for-build-unwrapped:cc:cc-unwrapped; the path search works fine because it finds the prefixed compiler in :cc:.

Not sure exactly how to solve it; I don't yet see why you'd want the unwrapped compiler in the path at all.

12:12:50
11 May 2025
@trofi:matrix.orgtrofiIdeally wrappers should always expose prefixed binaries.14:34:59
@trofi:matrix.orgtrofi(like abandoned https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/181724)14:35:49
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan Ross
In reply to @trofi:matrix.org
(like abandoned https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/181724)
Rip yeah, imo we should be closing abandoned PR's because there's not really a point in leaving them open
15:04:17
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa RossIs there a point in closing them?15:06:07
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan RossWell if it's not going to be worked on anytime soon, why leave like a 2yo PR that has merge conflicts open?15:07:18
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyit was closed in 2022?15:07:48
@trofi:matrix.orgtrofilooking at the comment it broke meson-based builds on clang (and they used to work by accident by using a wrong compiler)15:08:53
@p14:matrix.orgp14But is there a good reason to put the unwrapped CC in the path? I have dropped it without ill effect and it does fix things ion my case.17:17:03
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilywe don't but we do want prefixed compilers17:18:55
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyso the prefixed ones should probably be wrapped17:19:10
@p14:matrix.orgp14So, could https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/1a5bd697adecf27385b69352485baa52a6e02fe9/pkgs/build-support/cc-wrapper/setup-hook.sh#L92-L94 and https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/1a5bd697adecf27385b69352485baa52a6e02fe9/pkgs/build-support/bintools-wrapper/setup-hook.sh#L39-L41 be dropped. In light of the commit message here https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/182385/commits/e682dd84cff5d2420fcc0a40508557477f6cc9d3 which comments that it was unknown why there were in the path (but the answer is linked above). Now it is found, can we delete it? :)18:42:09
@p14:matrix.orgp14I'm thinking that essentially if there is some binary provided by the compiler and it's not symlinked into the wrapper, that is a bug.18:43:42
@p14:matrix.orgp14While messing with the booting machinery I am hitting an odd thing where somehow a meson is creeping in which has an openmp dependency which creates an infinite cycle. Haven't debugged it yet. (clang -> tblgen -> cmake -> libarchive -> e2fsprogs -> fuse -> meson (from some other stage) -> openmp -> infinite cycle on clang). I guess I need to plug something into my stdenv overrides to prevent this.18:54:42
@trofi:matrix.orgtrofi e2fsprogs -> fuse can be broken by disabling withFuse = false; 18:56:41

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