In reply to @connorbaker:matrix.org
Randy Eckenrode: would you happen to know if darwin uses an out-of-the-ordinary shell with respect to Nixpkgs builds? Put another way, do darwin systems use their host machine's bash, an old/vendored version of bash, or the same version linux machines would?
I ask because I'm making setup hooks which use some bash-isms, and I see comments littered throughout Nixpkgs about hacking around old versions of bash for darwin.

Darwin uses nixpkgs Bash (whether from the bootstrap tools or freshly built).

How old are those comments? Darwin may have used the system when it had a native (impure) toolchain, but that was a decade ago.

The only exception that comes to mind is a foopkg-config script from when patchShebangs wasn’t available, but I’m pretty sure I fixed that during the Clang 16 update.

We've got a bunch of PR's and we should make progress on them. I'm thinking we can probably do:

1. Create a project board on GH
2. Meet regularly to discuss PR's and the current plan for the stdenv

This Thursday (2025-03-20) @ 9am - 10am PST will be the first meeting. I hope this will allow us to have a more coordinated effort towards development.

Goals:

• Meet & greet
• Determine overall plan (+ 25.05)
• Highlight work done since Oct

Link: https://jitsi.lassul.us/nixpkgs-stdenv

In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
I won't have time to do a full re-review before next weekend-ish but fwiw the last time I glanced at this there were review comments I left last time that hadn't been addressed

In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
also like I said the easy way to land this without needing rebase/review of a huge monolithic PR is to split it up as read-only → convert existing users of useLLVM gradually → hook them up to bootstrap → make them writable and deprecate useLLVM

I think https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/365057#discussion_r1927841995 wasn't addressed? but like I said I haven't had time to go over the whole thing again

btw, there is overlap with https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/352629, so we'll need to decide what we want to do there

In reply to @rosscomputerguy:matrix.org

This Thursday (2025-03-20) @ 9am - 10am PST will be the first meeting. I hope this will allow us to have a more coordinated effort towards development.

Goals:

• Meet & greet
• Determine overall plan (+ 25.05)
• Highlight work done since Oct

Link: https://jitsi.lassul.us/nixpkgs-stdenv

In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
I have other commitments, I won't be able to make it. not sure synchronous calls are the best method of collaboration with a team as distributed as ours, but if we do them we should schedule them with something like Crab Fit and have someone to take minutes

In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
where would the build resources for a Hydra come from? if we can get more builder resources we should probably try and expand ofborg/hydra.nixos.org instead, we already run special jobsets on the central one for big rebuild projects sometimes

In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
I have other commitments, I won't be able to make it. not sure synchronous calls are the best method of collaboration with a team as distributed as ours, but if we do them we should schedule them with something like Crab Fit and have someone to take minutes